George W Bush is the biggest economic blunder we've ever had. Cutting taxes and spending like a sailor is very responsible. The deficit is more important than spending and this disastrous Iraq war is exploding both of them.
This would have me fuming. We are talking about him coming and taking QUITE A BIT of money from me with this one move. And to think our anti-intellectual culture is willing to usher in his socialist policies into power simply because he makes a good speech in front of a teleprompter and spews hot air about 'bringing people together' and other such ridiculous no-substance claptrap. What's your favorite mode of travel? The Straight Talk Express or the Hot Air Balloon?
So you're a fan of "borrow and spend" instead of "tax and spend"? Those are the two alternatives, it appears, based on the past 8 years of GOP economics. McCain is certainly not Bush, but his economic agenda is basically "Bush is good".
I am a Romney supporter, don't think McCain will be good for economy, I just don't agree with Obama's policy a lot more. Would like not to be taxed at 60%.
Cutting expenses from Iraq will save a bunch. That is a huge cut right there. Some of the taxes will come from corporations that export jobs, so that isn't personal taxes, plus it may help them create jobs here, which will be good for the economy. His emphasis on preventative health care, and having everyone have health insurance will be a HUGE reduction on spending. Those will pay for some of the programs and ideas right there and nobody is paying more taxes for that part. That being said, I'm in favor of tax and spend, as long as it isn't wasteful, and there are repsonsible cuts as well.
That's why I hope once he clinches the nomination that we can start to have a serious debate about issues. McCain's gonna have to call him out on this though. And give specifics. Don't use cliches like "tax and spend liberal". Throw out some numbers and tell the Obamaniacs how they're gonna be screwed by this guy if he's elected.
Tom Coburn, Republican Senator from Oklahoma: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080222_Letters__One_Readers_View.html I read Rick Santorum's column "The conservative jury is still out on backing McCain" (Inquirer, Feb. 14) with great interest. I respect my conservative friends who don't share my enthusiasm about Arizona Sen. John McCain. Yet, I'm troubled that many critics are focusing on the specks of dust in McCain's eye while ignoring the plank in their own eye. The plank in the eye of some self-appointed conservative jurists, particularly those from former Republican leadership ranks, is this: Under their leadership, Republicans grew the government faster than the Democrats we replaced. Under their leadership, Republicans attempted to secure a governing majority through the corrupting practice of earmarking. Under their leadership, Republicans passed the largest entitlement expansion since Lyndon Johnson, passing on more than $9 trillion in new debt to the next generation so we could win the 2004 election. McCain fought against all of those trends while many so-called conservatives were marching our party off a Bridge to Nowhere. John McCain isn't perfect. But he is by far the best candidate to tackle what many conservatives believe are the two greatest challenges facing our country - radical Islamic terrorism and a Congress that refuses to correct our unsustainable fiscal course. I find it amusing to see our resident conservatives attack Obama while acting like the Bush policies were great (I do agree that McCain has the potential to be a fiscal conservative, if he's not sucked in by the far right). The GOP had its chance to govern and failed miserably. The lemming support of the T_J's and bigtexxxes of the world is now resulting in the backlash from hell against the GOP. If they didn't want Obama and other Democratic initiatives, they should have proven they knew how to govern when given the opportunity. The same will apply to a Dem Presidency with a Dem Congress (which we also learned in 1992).
More important than addessing our health care crisis. More important than cleaning up our foreign policy. More important than our deficit and debt (a product of spending and taxes). McCain is one of the biggest budget hawks in congress--he has rarely met a domestic spending package he liked. Funny how "fiscal conservatives" (budget hawks) get confused with voodoo economic conservatives (the spend and borrow folks who want to collpase our government). Agreed. Funny how intellectuals seem to prefer Obama than anyone else. If you were so afraid of any social programs you could have left America when Social Security and Medicare came into being. There are still some countries without substantive social programs you might be happier in, they just don't happen to be in the 1st world.
Believe me, I'm all for that, the only problem is that most people backing Obama are what I call 'dumb votes'. They aren't breadwinners. They are either low-income individuals, under-educated, or very young voters. His other base is the over-over-educated base, which votes for him because of charitable feelings towards blacks and their struggle. These people are not rational economic consumers and the message will be lost on them. I attended Bill Clinton's speech on Wednesday night at Hofheinz. It was one sad sack crowd of the downtrodden. I felt like the United Nations should have been there handing out deodorant and toothpaste. These are the people we are up against. They are very much ill-informed on anything to do with economics, finance, heck, anything to do with numbers at all.
Obama is a "tax and spend" liberal according to Libertarian/right dogma. He is for public libraries and public schools and all that bad stuff that have to be paid for by taxes. .
Except he wins all age groups except 65 and over, and he wins voters making over $50,000. Is anyone making $51,000 over-over-educated now? 63 year olds are young? Wait - I thought Obama won the low-income, under-educated people? Now they are Clinton's base? We already know you change your arguments daily, but now you can't even keep your story straight within a few sentences?
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TJ, for a real cultural experience why don't you go to a Republican town hall type meeting in rural WV or Kentucky. This group (pretty much all-White BTW) will make your crowd look "over over over educated" as you put it.
Quote: Originally Posted by Trader_Jorge I attended Bill Clinton's speech on Wednesday night at Hofheinz. It was one sad sack crowd of the downtrodden. I felt like the United Nations should have been there handing out deodorant and toothpaste. These are the people we are up against. They are very much ill-informed on anything to do with economics, finance, heck, anything to do with numbers at all. Anyone notice how Bigtexx and TJ are becoming more blatant in their racism as it looks like like McCain will lose and be unable to continue the failed policies of President Bush? In their conservative elitism these guys are an example of the true core of the GOP. What Bush has called his "base". If I recall, they both claim a Rice U. education. It just shows you can't always cure a poor upbringing with schooling.
There are democrats that make over 51k? I don't believe you. Lawyers maybe. Second, Obama does win the 'dumb poor votes'. So does Clinton. So do all democrats. What's your point again? Run along, young chap -- but before doing so, make it a BLESSED DAY.
