not an exact quote...but the idea is similar...it just says that it would be better for you to be unhindered by marriage and be able to serve God...but not if you can't contain your desires. sane, of all the people on this board, you should be the one who understands the most that this is a serious commitment to God made by these men. not every priest is pedophile. most live lives served out for God...called to it.
Do nuns ever get caught doing that stuff? Because, if I was a teenager, and nuns molested me, I think that would be pretty hot. EDIT: Unless they were ugly nuns.
Here is the exact quote: 1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
You need to have sex to remain stable mentally. At some point in your life, aside from the exception, you need it. You will not lose anything if you cover your head. I'd appreciate it if you stop making it sound like Muslim women disagree with this. Those Muslim women who follow Islam WANT to do this. Those who don't are basically sinning. It's not easy. But according to the Muslim religion, it's RIGHT. Call me out on the psychologist/psychiatrist bit, but I have personally spoken to them, and I challenge you to personally speak to one who would openly express their thoughts on it. Aside from the EXCEPTION, it is unhealthy to not have sex. At times, you think more clearly when abstaining from sex, but to do so your whole life is bound to affect you in certain ways.
I apologize deeply if it offended anyone, but my intention is not to disrespect anyone's life work but it just seems to me that doing this is a tad bit unnatural, hence the quote? I'm sure many have done it. But these are only the ones that we've actually caught, and we will never know which ones had "indecent" thoughts. I understand celibacy more than most of you, because I am required to stay celibate until I get married. Most of you are either married are have had pre-marital sex - probably more than most. I'm glad I was aware enough to sustain it so long, but with everything I've seen... By the age of 23 or 24, it becomes pretty much unbearable, so I can't imagine how someone would go into their 30's, 40's, 50's etc in that state... Again, there is always the exception, and I truly admire those that are able to do this perfectly, because most will never know how difficult it is.... Max, could you give me a small briefing on Catholic priesthood, specifically why they must stay celibate to do what they do?
You guys keep saying a lot of pedophiles are married, that's silly. You put a guy in a room with his wife and a child, and tell him to never have sex. If he breaks that vow, 99 out of 100 times he'll do it with his wife. Put a guy in a room with 2 children, and is not thinking rationally he will eventually break down and you know... Ofcourse, if they're both pedophiles, they will go for the children. But the second situation is more likely to breed a pedophile.
I do disagree. Why does being celibate force you to have sex with children? Your analogy doesn't work, because celibate Priests come into contact with men, women and children everyday. If they simply need a sexual 'release', they can take care of that with no one else present. I strongly believe that in the vast majority of cases if these pedophiles weren't celibate Priests, that they would still be pedophiles.
Pedophilia from Wikinfo, an internet encyclopedia http://www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.php?title=Pedophilia Typology of Pedophile Sexual Offenders There are two main categories of behavior for pedophiles who commit sexual offenses. These categories are known as the "regressed" pedophile and the "fixated" pedophile. The regressed pedophile has a primary sexual orientation toward members of the opposite sex who are of the offender's own age. The sexual interest in children typically manifests itself in adulthood in this sort of offender. Due to an inability to maintain adult relationships the offender substitutes a child for an adult sexual partner. The intitial offense is often not planned and often alcohol related.The "regressed" pedophile is typically capable of a traditional life-style and often married. Social skills of the "regressed" pedophile are basically normal but with under developed peer relationships. The "regressed" pedophile typically has no problem making aquaintances or socializing with others, but is not capable of handling the responsibility of long-term relationships. This behavior is a maladaptive attempt to cope with specific life stresses. Females are the primary target of the "regressed" pedophile. The fixated pedophile has a primary sexual orientation toward members of the same sex who are children. The sexual interest in children manifests itself in adolescence for this offender. The offenses are typically planned out ahead of time and are not alcohol or drug related. The "fixated" pedophile has behavior that is characterized as a lack of maturity and this offender has difficulty with adult sexual and social relationships. This offender identifies with children, in other words considers him or herself to be like a child and thus seeks sexual relationships with what the offender percieves to be other children. The "fixated" offender is often interested in the same activities and interests as the young children who are the offender's victims. Such offenders often collect articles related to small children (clothing, children's books), even if they do not have children. This behavior is a maladaptive resolution to issues with adult maturity. The primary targets of the "fixated" offender are males. Statistics Concerning Pedophile Offenders and Thier Victims 1. 250,000-500,000 pedophiles reside in the United States. - Source: U.S. Department of Justice 2. Convicted child molesters who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each. Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims. - Source: In a study funded by the National Institute of Mental Health Dr. Gene G. Abel, Emory University 3. The typical child sex offender molests an average of 60 to 117 children, most of who do not report the offense. - Source: The National Institute of Mental Health, 1988 4. Approximately 95% of teenage prostitutes have been sexually abused. - Source: CT Center for Prevention of Child Abuse, 1992 5. It is estimated that children with disabilities are 4 to 10 times more vulnerable to sexual abuse than their non-disabled peers. - Source: National Resource Center on Child Sexual Abuse 1992 6. Abuse or neglected children are 67 times more likely to be arrested between ages 9-12 then those who aren’t. - Source: The Child Welfare League. 7. Victimized children had IQ’s 13 points below the general average of 100, as well as severely depressed reading abilities. - Source: The National Institute for Justice, 1991 Cathy Spatz Widom
well let's look at some famous ones Scott Bairstow (actor from Party of Five, Harsh Realm) - was married but slept with the 12 year old relative of his then wife and continued that sexual relationship for 3 years Mary Kay Letourneau - married with 4 kids. slept with her 12 year old student on several occasions. Roman Polanski - was married twice before he raped a 13 year old and is currently married now
It certainly is disturbing that several posters in this thread claim to understand the mind and rationale of child molesters.
Sane that's a tale of your own personal inability or weakness not to be able to hold out. That is in no way a scientific study, or anything close to it. Because you were unable to do it doesn't mean others aren't. It also doesn't mean that if others aren't able to do it, they will choose to sleep with children.
I'm not Catholic, so I can't speak to it exactly. But I think it comes from the scripture pointed out, above. The idea that a wife and family may cause you to serve God less than He's calling you to serve Him. I tend to agree with you on this. The first book of the Bible is Genesis...it says, "God created them, male and female." Sex was God's idea. We may have perverted it, as we have virtually everything...but at it's heart it's about union and love. I personally don't feel this strong call to celibacy...or maybe it's that I'm one of those who would "burn with desire" without marriage. But I respect the hell out of those who would give up something like that for God out of love.
I have to agree with those who don't think marriage is a perfect solution to the problem. I've known a number (somewhere between five and ten) of people who were molested as children and all of them were molested by people who were married, in some cases women. I don't have official statistics on this though and it could be that these were all anomolies. But if we look at other sex crimes such as rape, generally it doesn't seem to be the case that it occurs because there is no other outlet. It has been pointed out that rape in prisons is an example of what happens when you can't be around someone of the opposite sex. Maybe. But it could also be the result of other things such as a desire to prove dominance over someone. It seems that asking someone to be celibate over some period of time is not really asking too much. Most of my Christian, single friends are celibate. Some of them are men in their thirties or forties. I've never asked them but as I understand it, your sex drive does eventually go down a bit. In any case, choosing to commit to a lifetime of celibacy is largely voluntary and it seems that it is an aspect of the priesthood that should be more carefully examined before those vows are taken. It is possible that many men who have serious struggles with pedaphilia mistakenly believe that by commiting themselves to celibacy would give them the added incentive they need to stay away from it. A last point that I wanted to revisit briefly has to do with the legal status of the church with regard to prosecuting priests. As I understand it, the clergy (of any denomination or religion), attorneys, spouses and possibly doctors all enjoy (in the legal sense) attorney-client priviledge. I would not be required to give any legal testamony against JV even if I knew he were guilty of a serious crime. I could go ahead and do so anyway but I can't imagine that would do great things for our relationship. However, if I went to an attorney or a minister and confessed a crime and they turned me in, I could at least sue them for it and they could lose their license. I don't have that confidentiality assumption with my employer unless that employer is my minister, attorney, or doctor. In the case of these priests, they are supposed to confess their sins to another priest like any other Catholic and it would seem that the confession would be confidential. Where I think the Catholic church is mistaken is not in keeping their confidence but in not treating it as unrepentent sin subject to serious consequences. A sign of repentence of such a sin would be to turn oneself in. Otherwise the church should be removing them from the priesthood and church participation, as they should with any other sort of crime.
I lost my big V when I was 15. When I was younger my sex drive was what I consider normal but it wasnt like it was something that I was just dying from. Of course I wanted it like every other teenage boy but I didnt have to have sex all the time. I also was not having sex all the time. Maybe a couple of times a month. Once I got married and I started having sex all the time, it increased to where if I wasnt getting it on a regular basis, daddy got cranky. I dont know if this is how other people are but I guess what I am trying to say is that, if you have never had sex, it probably isnt as big of a deal as when you are having it regularly. Also, a perverted pedophile is a perverted pedofile. It doesnt matter if you are a priest or a drug dealer. You are still a huge peice of **** that doesnt deserve the air we breathe.
Characteristics of a pedophile. Characteristics and Behavioral Indicators of a Pedophile Being celibate or a priest does not lead one to pedophilia. These people are already pedophiles. The pedophilia leads them to professions like the priesthood, or teaching, or being a clown, or a scoutmaster. They choose these professions to gain trusted access to our children. I believe some folks are using this topic as an oblique way to denigrate one religion in deference to their own. Very subtle.
How many people have claimed that they just know it's gotta be because of celibacy? Good God man...if that isn't claiming to understand what makes a child molester tick, I guess they'd have to spell it out in flashing lights on a billboard to qualify.
I dont think that people are claiming to understand as much as they are trying to rationalize a terrible crime. You try to find common denominators with people that commit like crimes. All of these priest are celibate (alledgedly) and that is something that we can think, well maybe if they werent celibate, this wouldnt happen. Just like when serial killers all had wierd childhoods. People say, well if they had a more normal childhood then this wouldnt have happened.
You're reaching the point of my post. We, as rational people, do NOT understand why. To spin our collective wheels on the issue of celibacy is a waste of time. You aren't going to get anywhere with it. Yet, some in this thread insist upon it. Some do it out of a desire to make sense of this. Others may do it as a swipe at Catholicism.
