Okay I overreacted a bit. My bad. After watching the show it doesn't get me as much as it did reading it here on the boards. But it rubs me the wrong way when players , who have yet to accomplish much in the NBA, make comments on television such as "I know we don't need a point guard", or how about Cuttino's concern with the Rockets drafting Jay Williams in which he questions the Rockets loyalty to Steve which the Rockets wouldn't do such a thing to jeopardize or "backstab" Steve and his position on this team. This was a r****ded statement. Im sorry if you disagree but thats my thoughts on it. When I made reference to Steve and Cuttino as an alliance I meant in the sense that these guys seem to have a knack to voice their opinion on who should be on this team and who should be out. But when this **** goes down we end up with guys like Terence Morris. But wait you got it all figured out don't you? You believe the number one should be traded for Odom which according to you wouldn't be as much of a risk as Ming because of the red tape involved. Say What? When you got articles like this being printed is there really reason to base your entire theory on Yao being a risk simply because of "red tape"? Is that the only thing that worries you about Ming? But you would still trade the number one away for a man who has already been punished for rollin up a fatty on an occasion which would take him away from the game for a matter of months? This doesn't sound risky to you? You think about it, a trade for Odom doesn't change our situation too much. I like a Ming rather than Odom on this team. I would be more comfortable with Ming on this team than with Odom. Because then we could address both the center and small forward positions in the draft with the 1 and 15. I would be in favor of getting Odom with the 15 and perhaps MoT as others here have posted but I wouldn't trade the 1 for Odom. IMHO Odom is not worth the number one. As a Rocket fan I love Steve and Cat. I want them and the team to be successful. But decisions shouldn't be made according to who you know.
Tozai...nope you posted pure speculation, I posted what has actually transpired through the years. Its absolutely asinine to beleive that: 1. After 3 years of no almost no fast breaking, that the arrival of Odom is going suddenly inject the running spirit into Mobley and Francis. Deal with it. Fact is that they havent done it. Wishing is thinking Odom is going to lead to it. OK, you're right they haven't been running the fast break, but it's asinine to think that they cannot run the fast break. It's sort of hard to run a fast break when the other team is always making the shots and when your frontcourt doesn't rebound worth ****. Odom could lead a fast break, but I never said that just because he comes our whole style of play changes. Rudy needs to make some changes as well. 2. Odom isnt about making as much money as he can. This was the absolute, most rediculous, way out there statement you made. Yep, sure thing. He's looking at Olawokandi whos trying to get the max and might get around it, and saying yep. Im happy getting junk shots, and put backs. Just stupid. Who says Odom would get the max. You're stupid. He shouldn't get the max, he hasn't proved to deserve the max. Again YOU are "ASSuming" he's looking at Olowokandi. I'm glad you can read his mind...ASS 3. Anyone here really think that Odom is done with Pot? Seriously? Hes a young guy, whos been busted twice with it. Weather or not he gets caught with it again is a different story, but Ill guarntee you hes not done with it. Which leads to a possiblity of more suspensions. Yeah and noone else in the NBA smokes weed...I'm not condoning it, but that needs to be checked out, but is irrelevant to how his addition will help the team 4. I dont care what your trying to preach Tozai, Odom hasnt accomplished ****. Neither has Mobley, or Francis for that matter. ---I'm guessing the only Rocket in your book to accomplish anything is Hakeem...Are you just some bittter man who can't deal with his departure? Hell Kenny Thomas put up Odom numbers last year. Guess the bulls should trade the number 2 pick for Kenny then. ----Talk about oversimplification 3 years of averaging around 16 points and 6 boards is nice, but anyone willing to give the number one pick for Rashard Lewis who puts up similar numbers? ---NO, did I ever say we should I could list you at least 10 players who put up similar numbers and have an upside to them. ---Yeah, but not as much as Odom, a consistent threat of a triple double, versatile, height, score in different ways, get 6 assts easily Odom has been in the league 3 years, how about Ming...None First of all I never said we had to give up #1 to get Odom, I just say we should give #15 & KT for Odom. Would you turn down #8, Odom and maggette/olowokandi for the #1....Do you really think Yao is worth more than all of that...I doubt it...It's hard to believe that Odom does not have more upside or versatility than KT...Don't live by stats, He is one of the few players that would be just off a triple double every night and he is not a primary scorer( approx. 14 shots per game) 5. Try not hacking up the whole story to get your (ahem) facts in. Henry also said that he floated those same shots up on Kevin Garnett. Lets not add the fact that, that particular workout took place after a long flight which he had to battle serious jet lag (hours worth) and an inability to get any sleep at all the night before. Lets see how anyone would fare after those situations. Want to get facts straight...Henry said he flipped up shots over KG in HIGH SCHOOL. It's irrelevant, he could effortlessly drop floaters over a guy a foot and a half taller than him...that's pathetic that a guy probably not even drafted can do that Yes it is impressive that Yao has the professionalism to deal with all the jet lag and what not to do some shooting drills 6. Go back throught the posts newbie. Looks like more people love your stuff than just TBar. LOL. You closet ESPN message board troll. I don't see anyone complimenting your posts. OOH you called me a closet ESPN message board troll. Just because you have over a thousand worthless posts doesn't mean you know ****. Now you can ASSume that suddenly the Rox are going run with Odom, or ASSume that Odom could care less about his financial future or stature, or ASSume that Odom wont be lighting it up anymore, or ASSume that this doesnt hurt the Rox bargaining power, or better yet ASSume that Odom is going to make up 40 games lost by seven points or less. But again, what your posting is pure speculation. As compared to whats actually transpired through these last few years. DO you feel that. That the thud of your post hitting the bottom of the trash can. Actually you're the ASS assuming, and when I point that out to you, you don't know what to say. I never assumed the opposite of what you had said. I just said it was ridiculous to assume everything that your dumbass made up. I wasn't speculating, you were. What I care is the bumbled way in which he handled that situation. What happens now if we do in fact Draft Ming, or better yet Jason Williams? There are going to be some hurt egos. And as its been stated, it cant help the Rox bargaining power. WOW, I think I found ONE point of yours that made sense. A round of applause. HeyP...Yeah I know he does have his hands full, and his mouth full...of ****
I have one thing to say. I'm all for people having the right to voice their opinions. It's a free country, after all. However, in certain occupations that revolve around negotiation, secrecy, and (for lack of a better word) deception, you forfeit some of those rights for the sake of your employer/team. In the heat of a political campaign the campaign manager does not have the right to do a television interview saying, "Sorry, Senator Smith, but I just don't think that our campaign should run that ad next week attacking our opponent for his vote on [insert issue here]. Instead, if we announce our plan to [insert popular proposal here], it'll be over." Donald Rumsfeld doesn't have the right to call a press conference and say, "Depsite what the President thinks, I'm not so sure we should launch an air attack on [insert enemy here] the second week of September. Instead, if we were to attack with ground troops in August it's over." Right now this franchise should have a bunker-like mentality. We have the Number One pick -- we're in the best position of any team in the league. But any negotiations we have with other teams will only be succesful through some combination of deceit and secrecy. We can't tip our hand. The Clippers have heard about the interview by now even if it was on some little Fox show. When CD calls about Lamar, the Clips will say, "You mean the dude your boy Cuttino wants so bad? Guess what, CD? The price went up since we last spoke about this in April." It's a business. Success relies on deceit, careful planning, and striking when the time is right for us and not when it's right for our opponents. Mature players understand this. Sure, they have opinions, but they know how this works. Cat weakened, not strengthened our bargaining position. And don't tell me that CD coached Cat and that his comments about Lamar were part of CD's grand design. That's giving Cat way too much credit.
LOL...Those are the most words ever used to 1. Not say anything worth value 2. Not state a single fact. Just continue on stating speculation. "Um um...yeah, with Odom the Rox are going to be a fast breaking team babeeeee!" Yep. I quiver at the knowledge you spew forth on this one. "No one has Odoms upside babeee!!!" I dont know, Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, Darius Miles (his own team mate non the less) are three that took all of 1 second to think of. Wonder why the clipps would be willing to deal him and not Darius, wonder boy? Of course not. 3. Sound like an 8 year old punk. I doesnt matter that I have more posts than you. What matters is that youve maybe been watching ball since Cuttino came into the league where as I have been watching it since the Moses Malone regime. So get off of Clutch city, hit NBA.com and start studying kid, cause your stuff is weak. I was about to actually go through and destroy your last post. Because its laiden with opportunity, believe me. But Im done with you. At least give me some fact or truths other than "Yeah theyll start to fast break" or "Yeah, Odom wont want the max" or better yet "Who doesn't smoke weed"LOL...NEXT
It's too hilarious that it's "not over" with Steve running the break. Is there any other way to slam your point guard? *sigh*. Trade them all. p.s. Dreamshake you have common sense. heypartner, you're being a pollyana. Cuttino said something stupid. Agree? He did something unprofessional. Agree? Split up those two ****ing idiots that are creating a Rockets' clique. Agree? Why wasn't Walt traded? Why did we get Morris? Split them up. If this team isn't going to be salvaged by drafting smart players, maybe the team should have an authoritative coach. jmho.
Achebe, I didn't know you had humble opinions. But I happen to be in agreement with those just stated.
One of 2 possibilities: 1) Steve and Cat are part of the Rockets smoke screen. The fact we sent Steve to the draft as our draft rep makes mean lean towards him (and Cat) being in the loop. Right now the best option is for the other teams to not have a clue as to what we are doing. That means we might take JW and trade him, we might take Ming, we might do something else. For anybody including the Bulls to move the "might" to a firm "know what we are doing" they have to pay. Otherwise they roll the dice. 2) I think this is less likely but maybe both of the above are shooting from the hip and hurting our draft position. If this is the case I wouldn't object to trading either or both--if it benifits the team I don't even care if you trade guys who delivered championships let alone just two young excellent players with less team accomplishments. Personally I think Francis has higher trade value and is more of a risk (headaches, injury). Heck, I am not sure JW and Cat wouldn't make a better backcourt over the next 10-12 years even if SF heart, head and body are fine (no sure thing). I would less be in favor of trading Cat because he is of less trade value and I think you would have a hard time getting a player or pick in return that leads to an equally good player--but if he forces it he forces it. While hopefully the feelings are mutal, both CM and SF owe more to the Rockets than they owe them IMO and I find it distrubing for a player to claim disrespect if the team simply brings in a better player at his position. "Respect" by management is shown by them being forthright and explain why their moves are best for the team, it is not about protecting individual egos at the cost to the team. Again, I still lean toward the first possibility.
LOL...Those are the most words ever used to 1. Not say anything worth value ---and you do? 2. Not state a single fact. Just continue on stating speculation. "Um um...yeah, with Odom the Rox are going to be a fast breaking team babeeeee!" Actually I haven't seen a single fact you've stated, AND WHEN DID I EVER say that Odom automatically would make us a fast breaking team. I stated clear facts about why we can't run fast breaks when our defense sucks and we don't get frontcourt rebounds, but of course you dismiss that...Rudy needs to make changes Again I state facts about why they don't run fast breaks and you don't even address them. It's ridiculous to believe that Cuttino and Steve are not able to run a fast break "No one has Odoms upside babeee!!!" I dont know, Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, Darius Miles (his own team mate non the less) are three that took all of 1 second to think of. JRich...Yes, the others....no Wonder why the clipps would be willing to deal him and not Darius, wonder boy? Of course not. Why would we want darius? He can't shoot, can't pass, can only dunk, isn't as versatile, won't be getting triple doubles, not as much upside, not as tall, not as good...we don't need another project Want me to compare stats(facts)? I will if you want 3. Sound like an 8 year old punk. I doesnt matter that I have more posts than you. What matters is that youve maybe been watching ball since Cuttino came into the league where as I have been watching it since the Moses Malone regime. So get off of Clutch city, hit NBA.com and start studying kid, cause your stuff is weak. Oooh, my stuff is weak. I haven't seen you post anything to back up your "stuff" I find it hard to believe you have been watching basketball since the "Moses Malone regime" ...You're the one sounding like an immature 8 year old.I haven't been watching basketball since Bob Cousy was around but I have been watching way before Cuttino came into the league. And how does this matter again? You go to petty name calling and saying it matters that you watched Moses Malone play and I didn't...this doesn't dismiss the fact that you haven't said more than ONE thing true I was about to actually go through and destroy your last post. Because its laiden (LEARN TO SPELL)with opportunity, believe me. But Im done with you. ---Your posts are still worthless. I don't need to start studying. Please rip my last post... I would love to see you do it...You say you would but you couldn't At least give me some fact or truths other than "Yeah theyll start to fast break" or "Yeah, Odom wont want the max" or better yet "Who doesn't smoke weed"LOL...NEXT ---As soon as you give me some facts, you gave assumptions, I said that you give assumptions and you ignore this What facts or truths do you want? What are we arguing about? Steve and Cuttino sucking? Odom sucking? The Rockets sucking? I think you're the only one sucking...so remove your mouth from Hakeem's .....Stop living in the past fool...You're just a bitter man, sad, old, and pathetic(Yep I sinked down to your namecalling) Are you even a Rockets fan? Are you still living in the days of Ralph Sampson, "Akeem," Calvin, Dunleavy, Rudy??? All that you have done is: 1.Complained about Steve and Cuttino "immaturity and selfishness" I do agree that Cuttino might of screwed up the trade value, but just because Steve and Cuttino haven't won a championship doesn't mean they're worthless 2.Been bitter Hakeem isn't still here, and hate on the new generation 3.Used the grammar of an eight year old as well as the arguing skills 4.Yeah keep trying to prove you're right by calling me names 5.You would have had to be marybe around 30(more or less) to have seen Moses, and that doesn't make you some wise guy All I have to say is why don't you tell me some FACTS why STEVE SUCKS, CUTTINO SUCKS, and why ODOM SUCKS Give me facts why they won't help You give speculation, you resort to namecalling, use ad hominem, oversimplification, and whatever other fallacies, but you don't have an argument, you don't have common sense, you're immature Go ahead rip my post, rip my last one as well I'm waiting for the cold, hard facts...ASS NEXT b****
tozai, just a word of advice (you gotten some from others already). If you don't start watching your language, you just might disappear. It happens. Your opinions are welcome, arguing is ok (if tedious at times), but you can express yourself by substituting little things for the actual words. Like "$h!t". Or "****" might work, or "biatch" is an example. Get the picture? I'm sure other folks have much better examples. Oh, and some folks are just not good spellers (I'm not) and in the heat of battle, don't take the time to use a spell-check or look something up. It doesn't mean their stupid. From what I've seen, Clutch will put up with just so much, then adios. Fair warning from a longtime lurker.
Why do you keep misspelling polyana, or is it pollyanna?? hehe All I said was the chances of Francis and Mobley taking over the asylum are the same as CD spreading rumors through them. My post was about CD, not Mobley. sheesh. Sorry I didn't admonish his stupid statement, and cry out for his head like some "so eloquently" did. Do you have a mirror Achebe?
How easy would it be to go through that last post and find out who the hypocrite god is? Thanks I needed a really good laugh. Please oooooo please dont make me dump you on that last post. Here are some hints. 1. Never claimed to be bitter over Hakeem leaving. I thought it was right for the org. to begin with. 2. Who started the name calling? HMMMMMM. What a dummy. LOL 3. Misspelling one word or so in a post that long isnt going to bother me. But come on dude. This is coming from someone who is the king of: Sentence fragments, run on sentences, inproper sentence structure, and who cant use punctuation mark for NOTHING. Or heres another thing. Try using the return key to SEPERATE paragraphs or to start new thoughts. Nice job though. Ok ok I could go on and on but lets just start with this paragraph <i> All that you have done is: 1.Complained about Steve and Cuttino <b> (forgot the apostrophe and s after Cuttino's name) </b> "immaturity and selfishness" <b> (Missed a period here. DOH!!!) </b>I do agree that Cuttino might of screwed up the trade value, but just because Steve and Cuttino haven't won a championship doesn't mean they're worthless <b> (Run on Sentence, you need to either start a new one, or use a ; ) </b> </i> 1. Ok, show me where I call them selfish. Cmon now, where do I call them either of these two words? Stupid for his comments, I did comment on. Selfish or immature; I dont think so. <i> 2.<b> (Improper start to a sentence here!) </b> Been bitter <b> (missed the use of the word "that" here ) </b>Hakeem isn't still here, and hate on the new generation </b> </i> 2. Show me where I even bring up Hakeem anywhere. I actually thought it was a good move on the Orginizations part to let him walk. DOH! <i> 3.Used the grammar of an eight year old as well as the arguing skills <b> (the arguing skills....of what. First off, the use of "as well as" creates a run on sentence. A comma with the use of an "and" would of sufficed.) </b> </i> 3. Sure did, but at least I know what puntuation marks are. How to at very least form a decent sentence, and how to BASICALLY put together paragraphs. Not to mention use the return key. LOL. You hypocrite. As far as arguing skills go; I dont need to claim to be the greater of us. As long as you start off threads like this "Dreamshake you whining b****" Youve proven who the punk 8 year old is. Having to reach out and thank the one poster who agreed with you and nibble on his nut sack for it, tells me how mature you are. I guarantee your not older than........mmmm, maybe 14 at very best. <i> 4.Yeah <b> (here you missed another sentence pause such as a comma) </b> keep trying to prove you're right by calling me names </i> 4. Dear god, please show tozow who first resorted to name calling. Who has had to use a myriad of curse words to (ahem) "Try to prove he's right". While your at it, tell mommy to wash his mouth out with soap. Little boys shouldn't use words like that. <i> 5.You would have <b> (too many words here. The "have" in not necessary) </b> had to be marybe <b> (spelling) </b> around 30(more or less) <b> (Skipped a space before the first bracket) </b> to have seen Moses, and that doesn't make you some wise guy <b> (OOPS! Missed a period here!!) </b> </i> 5. Wow! Your AMAAAAAAAAAAAZING!!! Im going to call you Amazing figure out my rough age dude. Hey look everyone, Tozai actually used some sort of thought/math/scientific process to figure out that Im around 30. Not quite 30, but your close. Which means that...Im old enough to be your Daddy. Cmon Todow....whos your daddy? Nice efforting though, your coming along nicely. Now who's grammer is terrible? I bet your spelling teacher is proud of this fine literary work.
I just had to say it ----> Odom does suck. <---- Just refer to my other thread. Odom sucks thread Poor shooter. Can't hit a free throw. This year a 19% 3pt shooter. 3.3 turnovers a game. This does not even get into his injury problems and off the court problems. Odom and MoT could have a big dope smokin party. Who knows maybe he could get Steve and Cat into his scene as well? Is Odom the worst SF in the league - No. But he does have a huge downside. If humanly possible Lewis would be 10x a better fit.
I'm even more sure now that the Rockets will take Ming! All indications thus far indicate that Yao will "be in the building" soon. Cat was full of s##t on TBDSS! He needs to concentrate on his jumpshot and decreasing his turnover ratio!!! Neither Cat nor Steve will be making this decision. "Let them eat cake."
Watching two guys trying to correct each other's grammar/spelling while making new grammar/spelling mistakes is always good for a laugh. heb and heyp, Stop acting as if you are arguing...everyone knows by now that you two share the same limited mind. Reminds me of a song called "heb and heyp share the same mind." I cannot remember who wrote it and am not sure why it comes to mind at this time...oh well. Nevermind.
