I must of read you wrong. I knew something was a bit off ------------------ "GiddyUP!!!" Krammer from Seinfeld
I'm starting to think you really DO hate Francis ? I am a Rocket fan, so I'll root for both of them. ------------------ "Roses are red. Violets are blue. I'm a schizophrenic and so am I."
gr8-1, and other BBSers ploting against me I guess we can lay this topic to rest. The author of that article on CBS sportsline said they are both equally explosive. What a novel idea, lets leave it at that, they are equal. ------------------ "GiddyUP!!!" Krammer from Seinfeld
the only reason you say that gr8-1 is because you do not like Mobley, and hence suspect others of disliking Francis if they say he needs improvement on something, or can't do something better than Mobley. There are no Francis hatas that are Rocket's fans. But there are most definitely Mobley haters. I hear them at every single game. I don't care that you are learning to be more careful with your words gr8-1; symbolically to me, you are the hatas in the rows above us, who seem to come to games only to yell at Mobley. RR5, all I can say is ignore these Francis-is-God apologists. They will never agree that Mobley can have any athletic skills that are better than Francis. That is sacrilege, even though Doc Rivers is yet another coach on record that says so. They will give you the token "first step" compliment, because they have to now or sound foolish. But last year they denied even the first step fact when several of us tried to say it before the media or Rudy came forth with confirmation. Now RR5, don't bother with the Francis Cult, since you'll find they look to bash Mobley at every opportunity and call it "venting". From my seats...that ain't "venting"; it's cult-like persecution, and we are the heretics. RR5 relish in the fact Mobley and Francis each have their raw skills superior to the other, and Rudy is nurturing and using them in a very complementary manner. And also relish in the fact you are actually enjoying the growth of Mobley, where the Cult gets joy only when yelling at the heretic Cat.
You da man Heyp Finally someone other than ROXRAN has come to my defense. Mobley hatas, its time to put the cult in the bag, and watch two of the best young players grow and mature. Don't forget, they are best friends, "Why can't we be friends?" ------------------ "GiddyUP!!!" Krammer from Seinfeld
HP: Sorry, alot of the people whom you would label as part of the Cult of Francis have critiqued Stevie greatly in the past. Some people, indeed, worship Francis... ...but that isn't the only reason that many of us have problems with Mobley. Mobley's won me over as to his overall worth... but more explosive than Francis? I just don't see it. As for Doc Rivers... favorable comparisons to somewhat better players has long been a great way to indicate that you're "serious" in praise of a particular guy. ------------------ Why is it that everytime BC defeats a major conference opponent, that opponent promptly goes on a losing streak? PS. Notre Dame sucks
I hope you dont think I'm some Francis worshipper , cause I'm not.I love him to death, but no player is above criticism. Obviously Cuttino's mistakes are more visible than Francis', so he gets more scrutiny than any other player on the rockets. I do hear alot of Mobley bashers at the game, and it's pretty damn stupid to boo a player on your own team.It used to be worse, but I have heard the negative comments towards Cuttino decrease as of late, because he's not giving them anything to b**** about. He's playing solid ball in all facets of the game. It was a stupid argument to begin with, because what the hell does it matter if one guy can run the 40 one tenth of a second faster? They are both explosive, let other teams fans argue of who's more explosive, and be glad we have both of them on our team. HP, I think a lot of the fans who dont follow the rockets as much as people on this BBS, tend to get annoyed, not by Cuttino's ISO's but by his dribbling of the ball for a long period of time before he makes his move. Lately though, he has been GREAT, and is making his move without the dribble and getting to the hole with ease.I'm just having fun watching the BEST BACKCOURT in the league grow with each game. I'm sick of people tagging them with the best "young" backcourt. I truly believe they are the best. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited February 19, 2001).]
haven, You should come to a game just once with me and listen to the haters in every section. It only takes one. They love to persecute. What I say here is my symbolic bashing back at those real voices I hear every game. I can't do that at the game, because it's just not right to argue over teammates while the game is in progress, and not fun. But, the Francis Cult exists in more than just symbolism. Coming home from games, I have venting to do to, and there are plenty of Mobley bashers willing to offer up some exaggerations. And, I truly believe Mobley is a superior pure scorer than Francis, plus he continues to improve at the fastest pace on this team, including his overall game.
I don't see why it matters who is more explosive. They both get to the basket and score don't they? It really doesn't matter who "explodes" better. But, if I did had to pick one I would say Steve. Cuttino may have a better first step, but I think Steve gets to the whole quicker. They both finish stong though and thats all that should count. ------------------ "Steve is good. Steve is real good." -- Cleveland's rookie point guard Andre Miller on Rocket rookie point Steve Francis
Cuttino is a great player, no doubt about it. I only thought RR5 may have a little biased towards Cuttino, but maybe I am wrong. Please don't label me as a Mobley hater. IF he goes 5 for 14, I think I have a right to complain, but whatever. I will root for anyone in a Rocket uniform. I am not "choosing" my words a little more carefully. I haven't said a negative word about Cuttino in this thread, other than saying that Steve is probably a little more explosive. Is he the pure scorer that Mobes is ? Probably not. But, he is a bit more efficient in that he's taken less shots but is averaging the same amount of points as Cuttino. If that is Cuttino-bashing, then I apologize. ------------------ "Roses are red. Violets are blue. I'm a schizophrenic and so am I."
I did not hear you complaining when Steve went 5-14 against the Magic. If you have the right to complain when Mobley does, then you should do the same for Francis. ------------------ "GiddyUP!!!" Krammer from Seinfeld
How do you know when I do or don't complain ? Who are you to tell me who I can't complain about ? This thread started as a simple "who's more explosive....." subject, and I believe you have turned it personal because you didn't like my opinion. I thought you may have started a legit thread to hear the opinions of your fellow Rocket fans, but you're pot-shots at Steve lead me to believe otherwise. But, I don't believe in feuds over who is a better player, and I certainly don't want to feud with you or HeyP. I haven't said a simple negative comment about Cuttino on this thread, and I won't start now. So, I will just appease you in saying that Cuttino is more explosive then Steve. Case closed. ------------------ "Roses are red. Violets are blue. I'm a schizophrenic and so am I."
Lately, Cuttino has been far more explosive than Francis. I am really starting to appreciate his offensive aggressiveness. He seems far more willing to take shots than Francis, and lately, he is hitting them. He is driving to the basket much more, and taking jumpers from mid-range areas instead of 30 feet away from the hoop. Francis is still playing brilliantly, and is great on offense. He just isn't as aggressive as I would like him to be. I think Francis is capable of being more explosive, he just isn't acting on it as much as Cuttino. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
As far as the argument on who is the most explosive, I feel Steve has a slight edge. He averages more points on less shots taken than Mobley. I guess you can say he's a more efficient scorer. One thing I've been complaining about Steve is that I wish he would become more assertive, that's his biggest problem. If he had more assertiveness, he would definitly be averaging over 25 points. Mobley has no problem taking a bunch of shots, and many times, he's shot us out of the game. At least when Francis is not shooting well, he has sense enough to stop throwing up a bunch of shots and tries to get someone else involved. It's been good to see Francis lately, become more sure of he's role as a leader of this team and his assertiveness has increased. The team is doing better because of it. ------------------
What the hell are you talking about, Dickerson shouldn't even be in this converstion. ------------------ "GiddyUP!!!" Krammer from Seinfeld
