Sane..yeah, Ronald Murray has done very well in Ray Allen's place. VERY VERY GOOD. Like 20+ points...I don't want him though. Larry Hughes would be nice.
what I find hilarious is that before the season started,I and less than a handful of posters were suggesting trades of Mobley/Griffin and EVERYONE told me "we dont need trades,lets stand pat and see what JVG can do with these players" now just two games into season everyone is on my side now wanting to trade. Told you so.
At this point, I'd take a second rounder and cash considerations. Mobley offsets Moochies contract and play. Griffin = 0. So a second round pick would put us ahead and the cash would just be gravy for Les' 8th generation. Seriously though, I'd love for someone to take Mooch of our books. Sad truth is, Mooch = Maloney. In fact I'd take I'd rather see Maloney out there than Mooch but Mooch is here to stay until we can get a decent backup to bench him until his contract expires. And Mobley is stuck in ISO land. At this moment, he shows little promise for change. I predict a new uni for him before the AS break. The good news is he has trade value. Griffin - well we've covered that one in about 25 threads.
As much as I hated seeing the way Mobley played last night. I think he is a good value for money. The problem is we don't want to play him together with Frances and Ming at the time for a long period unless he comes around with a team mentality. But we can't deny the fact that he is a good shooter most of time. Yes, he is not consistent; but who is on this team. (I guess except Yao due to his high FG%.)
No, we're not. Don't fool yourself. The people screaming for trades now are the same people that did it all summer...
Cat needs to be more of a perimeter jump shooter ie. Redd or Piat and be able to make those shots. After those shots start to fall he will have nothing but opportunity to go slash to the basket. I know that's a lot to ask... but when you have a dominant inside player, then that inside player demands space inside to work. Cat needs to learn to set and shoot and be able to make that shot consistently. (PIATKOWSKI) can set and shoot. he is also 6'7. Michael Redd would be nice, and I think maybe they might be willing to get rid of him for the right price because D Mason just signed a 3 yr extention. Rio
Bucks love Redd and his contract. He's got 2 more years at 3 mil. You'd have to pry him away with a crowbar. All that said, it's worth trying. Bucks are built around TJ Ford, Des. Mason, Tim Thomas, Smith and Haislip at the 4, and nothing at Center. They need a center. They have Redd and Toni Kukoc's expiring 8 mil contract to use as trade bait, plus any of their existing centers. They also have draft picks. Give them Cuttino ( 5 mil) and Cato (7 mil). That gets the contracts very close. Yes, I hate to lose Cato, but we still have the 7 mil trade exception to land a true pf/center. A good candidate would be Kurt Thomas, shipping EG. Ming/K.Thomas/Meech K.Thomas/Taylor JJ/AG Redd/Pike Francis/Wilks Ming has an enforcer who can shoot. Redd can drain any open shot. Use the pick to land a decent backup pg. All in all, not as good as getting Artest, IMHO, but that's what it takes, essentially, to pry away Redd and get that kind of shot. Another guy on the outs with his team is Wally. We can use Cat EG and the trade exception to get his 10.5 mil for the next 4 years. They really want to get rid of him, so maybe they'd even take trash like Moochie or Meech in the deal for a straight contracts trade. Now, many of you will roll your eyes at zerbiatch, and he is a cold fish and will never mesh with KG, but I do think his game is a very good complement to Ming. In that deal, you can keep Cato, and still use the trade exception to bolster the frontcourt or pg position. Yao/Cato/Meech Cato/Taylor JJ/AG Wally/Pike Francis/ trade exception guy (billups?atkins?) That's a flexible lineup that can shoot. I still like Artest, K. Thomas, and T Best, best of all.
Artest would be a stud out on the perimeter no doubt, but IMHO I think Redd could do just as well if not better in our system. Having Yao and Cato on the inside all we really need from our perimeter players is to stay in front of their defenders and put a hand in their face when they shoot. Redd is 6'6 and is capable of playing most 2's and some 3's. On offense is another story. Yao post. steve point. Redd and Piatkowski perimeter. Cato MoTay at the 4. This won't ever happen anyway.... damn I have too much time on my hands. I guess i'm tired of reading all the bs about the Memphis game. We friggin lost one game... had one bad game... and all the friggin world gone to SH*t.
Don't forget that with all these trade ideas with REALGM it does NOT take into account our 7M Trade Exception. By using this we can pretty much make just about ANY deal work. And I think we can split it up if need be.
Mobley takes terrible shots. Mobley also has talent. Both are true. Whether you believe he's an asset of liability based on how much you think he disrupts the offense. I think that during the Rudy days, he was more of an asset. Now, it seems... since the team is moving to more organized ball... he's a liability.
Excellent point. I think thats why it is so frustrating to see some bash the Rice trade when its basically not been completed. Now, if we let that exception expire, then I would be more inclined to judge the trade as being questionable at best. Lets keep in mind that the trade exception is much more valuable, in terms of flexibility, than Rice's contract. Furthermore, the value of Rice's contract is somewhat overated. It was so valuable that Utah flat out released Rice which is a good indicatioin that there were no takers this summer for him.
These posts are killin me. Yao is the reason we lost Cat has got to go he's is a crappy shooter and shoots too much Yao + Cat = 11 of 20 for 55% shooting with Cat taking only 9 shots Everybody else on the Rockets (or Clangets) 13 of 46 for 28% shooting I have an idea lets start some threads bashing and trading the players who really sucked against the Griz. Oh that would be everybody but Cat and Ming for those of you with blinders on.
