I guess the trade would make some sense. The team needs some consistent outside shooters in the worse way. Trading a 2-guard for a small forward allows Steve to move to the 2. If the trade were to go down though, it would be an absolute must that they trade for a stud defensive player at the point like Alvin Williams to make up for Steve and Wally’s deficiencies. Otherwise the perimeter d would be awful.
Getting Steve Smith would be a mistake. He is 34, played in 50 games this season, and shot 33% from 3 point arc. I think we learned our lesson w/ Rice.
Thanks for the explanation...I just thought you had some more personal beef with Mobley because you even have something about him in your signature. But it sounds like it's more just the style of play. Don't you think getting someone to replace Moochie instead of Mobley (e.g., Jaric, Barry) could solve the problem of having a "smarter" player, while at the same time keeping both Francis' and Mobley's offensive talents? Or do you think it would not change anything because they would still be hogging the ball too much? That way, we would still keep the talent level in the backcourt high, and, at least in theory, once Mobley starts playing dumb, one could just bench him and reduce his minutes in favor of the "smarter" player you are looking for.
If its Cat + Mooch for Wally I'm all for it. Wally has max contract so Cat alone wouldn't cover it. Now if Wally's reported ego/personality is a problem, that may be reason enough not to do it. But statistically Wally beats cat across the board stats, height etc.. and does it in less minutes. His per 48 minutes stomp Cat's big time. But we have Nachbar and Wally's natural position is the 3, so who knows.
I agree SJC. The problem with any Mobley trade right now is we really only have 2 guards to begin with. Whatever we do, we need to *add* a guard *in sum.* The easy way to do that is just sign one, and keep Mobley. Let Rudy twist Mr Gumby into a 6th man again, with defensive focus. If we can get that new veteran with no trade of significance, then I have faith in Rudy sending Mobley back to the bench, or at least you can play the bench-Francis-or-Mobley game whenever they play dumb...but still have them for when they are hot. It also keeps Mobley fresher for defense...and simply moving him down to 30mpg may, in itself, turn him into a better player, based on more energy over time. Is addition by subtraction a matter of trading Mobley or a matter of cutting back his minutes by like 10 minutes? I do like his defense, and would like to see one year of no ankles problems. What this does is it allows you to hold onto Mobley until you get the perfect trade? hell, we don't even know what that is yet. Is Griffin a SF afterall? If so, we really need frontcourt help. Will Posey sign? What 3rd guard can we get for no trade: a PG or SG? Basically SJC, do you see any agreement on this board what position you want to trade Mobley for? I don't see much agreement. Some want to hold Mobley and Griffin for a PF. Some want to move Mobley for a guard; some for a Point Forward. When in doubt, I like to trade up in position. <b>Personally, I want to improve the frontcourt defense--thus trading offense for defense/rebounding, not offense for different offense.</b> I think you can find a solid young, underrated PF for Mobley straight up, and then dangle Griffin for a starter guard. Trading Mobley for a PG seems like a waste, and places a lot of faith in Griffin, or in winning on offense with defense no better than Dallas.
Clutch Do you mean why I would take Szczerbiak over Mobley? Basically because Wally is a year and a half younger, 3 inches taller, less turnover prone and a much better shooter. Wally's career shooting numbers, from the field and long-range, dwarf anything Cuttino has ever come up with in any one season. This is an unfair comparison: Wally had Brandon, an outstanding distributor, KG to command double (sometimes triple) team attention, and a coach to put his players in the right place.
no doubt. but I think what a lot of people in this thread are saying is Wally's career <i>playoff</b> numbers suck. His turnovers increase, and from long-range he is making less than 1 every 3 playoff games. What good is he, if he can be stopped routinely by different playoff matchups, all the while when Garnett is still being doubled. <b>Here's a random stat: </b>Wally has only made one more playoff 3-pointer than Mobley. boy, that's eye-popping.
u gotta be kidding no, honestly, all KG needed was just a little bit more production from the rest of the teamates, even if it was just for 3 quarters. Then he could've carried them in the fourth, like Kobe did the Lakers in game 6. Unfortunately, KG had to do everything throughout the game, w/ the only help coming from Hudson, and thus had very little left in tank for the 4th quarter, in complete contrast to Kobe. And the announcers kept yelling for Wally to step up. Could Cat have made a differnce there...........maybe
HeyDude, I kid you not...he did not make a 3pter in his first two playoff series. Wally is 5-27 on 3s in 17 playoff games, <b>against 4 different teams.</b> Mobley was 4-7 in 4 playoff games. this is just a random stat that means nothing about Mobley, but maybe something about Wally's playoff mettle.
well, i guess it is like one of the commentators said yesterday about Ginobili, his game does not change in the postseason. for some players, they start thinking too much, and their game changes. Wally is one of those.
considering we haven't been to the playoffs in 4 years, i have no idea why you're comparing playoff stats. i'll put it this way: if wally helps us get to the playoffs and sucks, it's still better than cat & steve leading us to the lottery....
Hey, the stat was about Wally. Didn't I say that. Didn't I say it meant nothing about Mobley. My point was most people in this thread who say they don't like Wally are referring to his <i>playoff</i> career and his whining. No one really disputes that he's a pure shooter in a different class from Mobley. But when he doesn't show up much at all in 4 years of playoffs, what good is he? 5-27 on 3s in 17 games really sucks
It should be an all-stars dream to only have to hit a few open shots and beat some single coverage while all the attention is being focused on your superstar, as in KG. Wally couldnt even do that
true. he has not done well in the playoffs. but i'd be more than willing to have him sucking in the playoffs on our team. it beats the beating off we been doing for the past 4 years...
Unfortunately, however, Mobley is one of our two best tradeable assets (Griffin being the other) that we could stand to part with. So to get the PG and PF we need, we will be stuck having to move both, in one or two separate deals. We can add Rice's expiring contract as cap fodder to get an overpaid but talented player at one of the positions. Splitting time between Francis/Mobley at the SG is a luxury that we can't afford when there are more glaring needs. Moving Mobley for a PG or PF, and signing a Steve Smith-type as a backup SG off the bench is a more practical option.
