I don't know if Artest would work with this team, but I certainly think he's worth trying. What I can say with almost complete conviction, based on everything I've ever read about both of them, is that there is no way in hell that Artest and Carlisle can co-exist for very long.
Eddie Griffin punched a teammate in high school AND college yet you guys want him but not artest. Artest has never punched a teammate. Nor has he gone speeding down a street smoking pot like Griffin does. Yet,to not my surprise the homers here LOOOOOOOve griffin but absolutely despise artest because he playfully hands the ball to the ref. What a joke. Just keep playing your boki and see what Ming does in 2 years.
Sweetie: Griffin's punch was an isolated incident. Artest now has a history of these incidents. Griffin's pot smoking a problem? Give me a break, who in the league doesn't light one up every once in a while? His only problem is that he was stupid enough to get caught. Artest's actions and consequentially his suspensions directly affect his team. Most people last year said that Indiana's second half meltdown from 1st to sputtering into the playoffs was in large part due to Artest's suspensions and as a whole being a distraction to the team. Look, I can understand maybe if you guys were advocating trading Moochie or some other garbage for this guy, but the fact that some would trade Mobley for him is laughable. For all his faults, Mobley made huge strides last year defensively and in general becoming a better team player. Just for the sake of continuity why take the risk for such a time bomb? Mobley is a superior ballhandler, penetrator, shooter, and is an adequate defender. Why trade an offensive weapon when JVG's specialty is defense? Not even considering the basketball side of it, why even take the risk on the distraction known as Ron Artest?
My, this is degenerating...It would be an interesting study to see if there is any correlation between the degree of extreme reactions in a discussion about a player prone to extreme reactions vs. a player prone to understated behaviour, like a Tim Duncan. Does the topic set the tone?
I think we may have a couple of solid recruits for the D&D forum. thecabbage and egn: You two have great potential.
Lol! I swear to God or whatever that, in my last post, just after pointing out that this was degenerating, I was going to include a supposed quote form you, T_J, saying " pssst. Don't discourage them. Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery." I swear....lol...but I left it out as I felt it wasn't the place...
Let's see here. The post in question written by me reads: "Ron Artest last night received a technical for faking to throw the ball at the referee. When pulled from the game by Rick Carlisle, Artest went and had a seat, not on the bench, but in a normal spectator seat. Not sure why some of you want this guy. I doubt half of you have even seen him play - he's not that great. Unless you're a blithering, ignorant idiot it shouldn't be too difficult to comprehend the main idea here. Ron Artest once again pulled a stunt and received a technical, his coach reprimanded him and he followed by showing him up. I then stated that he would not be a logical acquistion. Not a difficult concept. Don't try to make this harder than it should be. You knew the point behind my post, you're just nitpicking and trying to be an ass. So Isiah made him shove Ricky Davis out of bounds, flick off fans, bump Pat Riley etc. etc.? Come on now. So you are basically conceding that the whole basis of your argument is that I said Artest "faked throwing the ball at the ref" as opposed to "faked handing the ball." Is this it??! The guy showed up his coach and implied wanting a trade! This should not be so difficult to understand. Even that point aside, you must be the only person who actually defends Artest's action. Next.
"Ron Artest is a player, that's for sure. He finished with 18 points, 6 boards, 5 assists, 4 steals and a back-breaking jumper to end the third. That's a guy I wish would put on the pinstripes right now. Best in-your-face one-on-one defender in the game in my opinion, and it would do the Rockets a world of good to have a player who brings that kind of intensity night in and night out. "-Clutch Now for anybody that wants to debate me on this issue whether Artest is a good fit for us,this is from the review of last years rox/pacer game from Clutches own words !!
Why don't you shut your piehole there buddy! I personally take offense to someone calling me a moron for posting correct information.
"Exxagerated lies?" This is a complete waste of time. The casual observer can easily comprehend that I was citing another example of controversial behavior demonstrated by Ron Artest. If you can't understand that, then there is nothing else I can do but question your ability to exist in any social setting. What's next? "CD is a liar!!! A blithering, ignorant idiot!! Yao did not gain 20 pounds this offseason, but rather 16.34538394!!! Exaggerated lies!!" Carry on. I'm done with this discussion.
You obviously miss the point of thacabbage's initial post. The point was that Artest is an immature little child who cant control his temper [even in a preseason game]. Yes, sure he apologized and joked about it at the end, but you miss the fact that after he threw his tantrum, he sat off by himself pouting hoping to gain sympathy at his injustice. Who cares if he faked a throw or if he snatched the ball back [a mintor detail], the fact is, his actions were stupid and idiotic.
I know what his point was dip ****. But if you are going to tell the story of what happened, tell the right damn story!!!
just wanted to dispute this point. artest is a superior ballhandler to mobley. far superior. i've seen artest plenty of times on the court, and also on the playground. dude can flat out handle the ball. indy's offense doesn't require it, but - even as a 2 guard - he would be considered above average. oh, and yes, i'd do this trade in a heartbeat. for all of artests antics, he is an improving shooter, the best defender in the nba, and has a mean streak that this rocket team needs. i don't remember who posted our lineup (w/RA), but francis jj artest griff yao is a contending team in the west. i don't think you can say that for our current team.
Trade Rumor out of Atlanta Cato & Eddie G. To Atlanta SAR To Indiana Artest To Houston Scheduled to take place this weekend. Would y'all do this deal ? This leaves use thin at the PF position but MoT, Cornell, & Gabe will pick up the slack!
