This crap is getting real old real fast. Hurry up August 1st. ------------------ "Get up, stand up. Stand up for your right"-Bob Marley
NIKEstrad, Cat might be a step above T-Mac in offensive execution, but at least 2 steps below in defensive play. If Cato has moved his game up, then Toronto doesn't have an equal defensive force to cover for Cat's mistakes. Neither Cat or Raptor management is thinking on this concept. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited July 21, 2000).]
Cuttino knows 100% he will get that money. I will tell you without a doubt, if in Cuttino's shoes I would return to Houston. Without any doubt. And by the way, that was not a rumor. His agent publicly said that. ------------------ http://www.saveourcuttino.com [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited July 21, 2000).]
Link please...... ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight
I'll try and email Bill the Rocket Guy and get one for you. The day before the draft, he had a big story up entitled "Mobley's Agent Speaks" and had many quotes from Mobley's agent. I'll see if I can get it for you. ------------------ http://www.saveourcuttino.com
Cuttino isn't leaving for the money. He is leaving to become an all star. That will not happen in the west. ------------------ The ClutchCity 500.
Cuttino did not grow up in Sugar Land. He did not have the luxury of money. Cuttino probably did not grow up going to a private school. He didn't have a big screen TV and a Playstation 2. He didn't get a Mustang from his parents when he turned 16. Sure, $2 million is a lot of money. But take into consideration that the average basketball player's career is probably over by the time he is 30. What is Cuttino gonna do for the rest of his life? Play golf? Run summer camps? Become an assistant coach? Maybe, if he continues to succeed in the NBA. But for the average NBA player, whatever money he can squeeze out of his short-lived career will be the main source of money for a long time to come. What if suddenly next year he has a career ending injury? Bet that $5 million salary looks a lot better now. And I'm sure he would want to give money to his parents, family, friends, etc. And two best friends playing on the same team is not necessarily the best thing in the world. If anything, it might encourage competition between the two. Who beats who out for the all-star team, who makes more game winners, and so on. If you look at the Bulls dynasty teams, Jordan and Pippen never went partying together. Never did Jordan and Rodman, nor Pippen and Rodman. But what they had was a good working relationship. I hope Cuttino comes back. But I wouldn't hate him if he didn't. At least he is not bad-mouthing Houston or the Rockets. ------------------ I will demonstrate my clutchness this November. [This message has been edited by knits stekcor (edited July 21, 2000).]
I don't think you understand Vince that money is not everything! If you ain't happy then money means nothing. Cuttino is happy in Houston playing with the Rox but would it be the same in Toronto? I doubt it, cause it would be him and Carter surounded by aging players who suck! Ok maybe just one old player that sucks......i.e. Kevin Willis But honestly they aren't gettin to good of a reputation by loosing McGrady and alot of the players unhappy with the Raptors system. Who knows Carter himself maybe leaving soon! ------------------ I'm tha hip hop attracta, rapper slash acta, right back at cha!
Okay Miggidy, i'm a Rocket fan but i got to say the Raptors are a whole lot better than Houston......and another thing it was not the Raptors system that the players hated it was that damn coach "BUTCH" CARTER!!!!! And with the new coach "LENNY", you may have heard of him, the Raptors finally have a coach players can respect. I agree with you that Oakley, Willis, and Antonio DAvis are just flat out OLD but they can still contribute to the man named Vince........ and Mobes will be an excellent second option. ........The Rockets on the other hand have TWO 7feet Bullards and a Dunking machine Cato with one superstar named Stevie Franchise other than that i am sorry to say the Rockets have no talent!!!!......without Mobes that is............................ ------------------ $$ out $$
Hey HalfMan-HalfDumbAss, Raptors are better than the Rockets? Thats one of the funniest things I've heard. I'd like to see them make the playoffs in the West. Playing in that pathetic conference sure helps. If the Rockets were in that sh!tty conference they would be better than the Raptors this year. You want to compare the teams: Francis vs. Doug Christie... umm yeah, we have to think real hard about that one. Shandon vs. Dee Brown...hmm....another tuffy (I'm not including Mobes on either team, because we dont know where he'll end up) Carter vs. Walt...okay so we get whooped right here. (But I bet if Carter scores 35 on Walt, Walt can atleast come back with 20 on NO D Carter. Cato vs. Davis, Willis or Oakley...I'd pick Cato over any of them. A yound shot blocker is really hard to find. Hakeem vs. Davis, Willis or Oakley... A healthy Hakeem could still beat the hell out of any of them. Depth on both teams is not that great. So how the hell are the freakin Raptors better then the Rockets. And what kind of stupid ass fan are u. "I'm a Rocket fan" but my name is Vince Carter? Damn Raptor and Grizzlie fans. You all can stay up there and just worry about who is the best Canadian team. Because there is no way in hell any Canadian team is going to win an NBA title. Ohh...and did u think up of that "Bullard" nickname for Langhi and Collier all by yourself. Just because they are tall white boys, does not mean they are Bullard clones. If Mobley goes to Toronto I am going to boooo his ass like crazy at the Compaq Center. Freakin traitor! He knows he is going to get his money down here no matter what. If he wasnt going to say maybe he should have hinted it. And dont give me any of that BS about how it would be illegal to do so. Like every team in the NBA follows the damn rules. We shoudl have picked up C. Alexander, and said "Fu!k U Mobes, get the hell outta here". ------------------
Cat has to do one thing before playing ball. Take Care of Business. If he trusts any NBA team to look out for him, he's a fool.</p> If Cat is only about money because he looks out for himself, what is the NBA about? The game?</p> If he goes, the Rockets would wish him well. Me to. </p> ------------------ [This message has been edited by Smoke (edited September 22, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Smoke (edited September 22, 2000).]
oh come now. The Raptors are better than the rockets are and the Rocktets lost to them twice last year. the rockets are not getting any better by drafting two guys that might as well be siskel and ebert without the talent to rate the movies. ------------------ if a Bryce Drew gets traded in the summer does anyone make a sound?
Vince, just because you're white, play basketball, can shoot, and are 7 feet doesn't mean you are Matt Bullard. Why don't you show me some evidence on how Collier in the slightest way even resembles Bullard? Frink, explain how the Raptors without McGrady are better than the Rockets. I'd love to hear it. The Rockets have gotten tremendously better by drafting two guys that will help the team a lot and fit really well. Have you ever watched them play? Have you ever seen them play for Rudy? Have you ever done anything besides look at some damn scouting reports and people's opinions here to base what you think about our draft on? I'm pretty sure that the answer to all of those is no, so why not shut your mouth about a topic you are completely ignorant on? ------------------ http://www.saveourcuttino.com [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited July 22, 2000).]
Rocket03.........i think you were extremely bias in your opinion.......first of all my nick is VinceCarter b/c i liked this guys game in college, i was his fan before he became big in the NBA.........anyway Cato i have to say is not up to parr with Antonio Davis......i'm not being bias since i'm a bigger Rockets fan(LIVING IN HOUSTON!!!!) though i have the ability to admit to a really bad Rockets team.........we all know Walt has no game, when Toronto played HOuston last year i remember Carter having like 35 points with Walt with more like 12. So go look up your stats......and another thing Walt only showed up his game in totally meaningless games at the end of the season when there was no pressure.....that's typical of Walt since this guy played in Toronto to...............and don't forget Doug Christie is a really good defender though Francis did light him up............ONe last thing.........i saw Hakeem just 2 weeks ago, i met the guy and he looks really washed up......i love the guy....but the fact is his age has caught up with him, and this season is more about collecting the money which the Rockets owe.........AND FRANCIS3 your sorry post just showed how bias your oponion is.....go ask somebody who's not as bias as you are about who's a better team.......JUST LOOK AT the stats WHEN THEY PLAYED EACH OTHER LAST YEAR.....but i agree the future of the Rockets is a lot better!!!!!! ------------------ $$ out $$
Raptors didn't need defense before to make it to the playoffs. Cuttino MAY be just what the Raptors need to get them over the hump. ------------------ I am so exasperated that I could expectorate.
Crisco, Cuttino is no McGrady. Vince, if the Rockets were really bad, how did they best all those playoff teams at the end of last season? All games mean something. I don't care what the heck you say, Walt has game. 20 ppg over the last 20 games or so should show you that. And also, how in the hell can you tell that Hakeem is washed up by meeting him. You would actually need to see him play you know. You can't just look at a guy in a store and tell if he can play basketball or not, although the majority of you guys make it seem that way with your terrible evaluations of Collier and Langhi, which are all bs. ------------------ http://www.saveourcuttino.com
first of all, toronto - without mcgrady - still has a better team than houston, right now. this year. carter is a more dominant player than francis. and i could argue that he will be througout his career. i love stevie's game, and i think he may end up redefining the point guard position, but as for game impact, i'd take vince over him because of size and versatility. hakeem? well, if you guys would take him over any of the raptors centers - based solely on the performance on the court this year - then you're crazy. hak is not, and never will be what he used to be. yea, i think he's one of the greatest of all time. but not this coming year. or last year. or the year before. frankly, i'd just as soon see cato out there for 40 minutes. as for cuttino....guys, please. if you had the following choice what would you do: Scenario A: 1. Your best friend is the star of the team. You will always be compared to him, because you have similar games. And he will always overshadow you. 2. You take less money now, but will be paid more money later - unless you get injured, that is. 3. Solid organization, with a coach with credentials, but questionable x/o skills. 4. Good media city, but future in houston is far from solidified. Scenario B: 1. Play alongside at least the 2nd most marketable player in the entire NBA (vince carter). He plays a different style than steve, what with an effective post up game and stronger body. Thus, you will never be the STAR of toronto, but you will not be compared to him either. rather, you will be seen as a complement to him. 2. You take more money now, and even more later. even if you get hurt 6 games into the season, your family and yourself are BETTER TAKEN CARE OF. 3. Organization isn't as solid as the rockets, but just hired a coach respected leaguewide - lenny wilkins. and have shown the desire to do for their players. 4. Team appears to be solid in their future in toronto. 5. You have the ability to forge your own identity alongside the nba's marketing poster boy, ala batman & robin. and in the nba, as in the real world, indentity (i.e. "being seen and recognizable/reputation), counts infinitely. So which one do you choose? If it's me, it's toronto. you have to take care of yourself. take off the rox colored glasses and while you're at it, put yourself in the position of a family man. you have to take care of yours. is it close? hell yes. and very difficult, as well. i'd wager that cat has nothing, i mean nothing AGAINST the rockets organization. but i think he has a little bit more going FOR him in toronto. boy do i hope i'm wrong, though. ------------------ miles ahead of the rest
Verse: Extremely well put. Could you paste that post in every other thread where everyone wants to make Cat into the next Quitten simply for publicly considering two very viable options for his career and family? Of course, I really want Cat to stay and I think it would be a step backwards for the Rockets if he didn't, but I wouldn't make him into the "Anti-Rocket" if he left for Toronto. Fact: they're a playoff team. Fact: we're not (yet). If Cat leaves, I wish the guy well and still root for him when he's not playing us. I'm more pissed off at the damn system that effectively penalizes teams for finding gems in the second round and developing them into legitimate NBA players ... ------------------
Verse, my compliments on a very good post! Indeed, Cuttino is faced with a very complicated and difficult decision. Let me at least give my rebuttals on Scenario B in hopes that Cuttino sees the whole picture: 1. I agree with you that Vince is a rising star, but WILL HE STAY IN TORONTO or bail out like his cousin McGreedy? I'm thinking that to best build his image Carter wants to relocate to a major U.S. city (L.A., N.Y., Chicago, etc.) 2. $5 Canadian = $4 U.S. after taxes (trust me I'm a C.P.A. who does tax work for a living). Now if Cuttino signs for $6 million or more per year then he will make more now. 3. Lenny is a very well respected coach with a boat load of wins, but he didn't handle the Isiah Ryder situation very well last year. Given that there was alot of well-publicised grousing going on in Toronto between the Veterans and the younger players, is Lenny the best coach for that situation? Would Cuttino rather leave the Rockets reportedly exceptional team chemistry to go into that tension filled work place? Will Cuttino get to take the game winning shots with Vince Carter on his team? Will the veterans in Toronto complain that Cuttino is a ball hog and not the great passing PG that they needed? 4. The Rockets future in Houston may be uncertain, but Cuttino is from Philadelphia and a move back East might just make him quite happy. 5. Poster boys like Vince won't do you any good if they don't stay in Toronto, if Vince Carter leaves and when the veteran front court players retire, Toronto will be undergo a MAJOR REBUILDING. How would that be good for Cuttino's image? Please stay Cuttino!!!! ------------------
