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Case for Trading Up to get Alperen Sengun

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. Poonwalker

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    He's playing better defense than Mobley right now .. has a higher rating.. that's the crazy thing
     
  2. Easy

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    Dang, if you say so. You are the supernatural guru here. I bow to your spiritual discernment. :)
     
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    I guess that's karma for robbing us with the CP3-Russ trade... wait, we robbed them with the Harden-KMart trade. I guess karma works in mysterious ways. :D
     
  4. VickMackey

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    OP is an absolute madman. Historic thread in the making
     
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    dont worry bro, you are more creative then them!
     
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    Excellent writing. Great tempo and cadence. I should read SI more often.
     
  7. peleincubus

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    F and A+ lol
     
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    Lol Green is an F. I mean it's too early to say, but based on SL alone he shouldn't be an F. Even if he doesn't become a franchise player, his floor as an effecient shooter should put him at B at the very worst.
     
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    hmmm this site is very insightful...very good writing!
     
  10. JayZ750

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    The writing might be solid, but the guy has some insane draft grades.

    More power to him for having different end result takes, but i definitely don't want to see later "see, i was right about Sengun!" when he has Giddy at 6 as an A- and Cade a a D, Green at 2 as an F and Mobley as an A+ lol. Bouknight as a C-, Mitchell as an F- (lol), etc. He may ultimately be right... but so far meh on his analysis.
     
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    perhaps, i have trouble reading anything on the topic and this site had me glued to reading for an hour...it was very entertaining for me so much so i don't even care for his accuracy loloolol

    besides if i got it well what he grades is a logic of the process and not what the actual end result may be
     
  12. Easy

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    Yeah, any draft grading has to be evaluated in hindsight after at least 2 or 3 seasons.

    I mean, if you picked a bust, what's the point of saying, "But everybody thought it was a can't-miss!" Well, everybody was wrong and you still get a failing grade for picking him. This is a business about results. And results can only be judged after they have happened.
     
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    There's nothing remotely based in real analysis in most of those grades. It basically amounts to "Cade is ok but they should've got Mobley - D" and "Green isn't ok, they should've got Mobley - F." Pretty writing to try and justify grades based entirely on personal preference for players. There's no actual analysis of team fit, of the potential of the players or anything in determining the actual grades he's given. Trash.
     
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    Glad he did
     
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  16. YaoMing#1

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    I think doubting a player like jokic is similar to Dirk.

    his teams were great hard out was an mvp didn’t really ever have a superstar next to him but like jokic has a very very solid team around him and in the end he became the best Mav ever a champion and imo one of the 20 best players to ever play the game.

    jokic and Dirk are not similar at all other than their both tall and European but that’s were it starts and ends.

    I like jokic a lot I think he can be the best player on a championship team it’s just catching the right breaks like almost every nba title team and his role players being hot in the playoffs.

    He just might have to wait it out till the nets are done though. KD and Harden still have 3 years of contending left and if healthy I can easily see them winning 3 titles in a row.

    kyrie is a bonus that makes them unstoppable.
     
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    The problem with this dude is he treated NCAA and GLeague at the same level which is the same mistake the Mobley Mob made.

    I said it before but busts like Derrick Williams, Beasley and Anthony Benett put up godly analytics stats in the NCAA. Thats because NCAA competition overall is barely better than the AAU they had in high school. If you got an ounce of NBA potential you will pwn all the unathletic kids with 0 chance to be in the NBA. Thats why Mobley who broke the analytics model is now suddenly scoring 30% in the field with worse defense than Sengun. Not just him Cade and Suggs who both shot well in NCAA now scoring in the 30s percentage as well.

    GLeague is a different story you actually got former NCAA stars who are now grown ass men desperate to go to NBA. Kuminga and Green got depressed nos vs much better competition but we can see now how good they really are in an even playing field.
     
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    Just a Mobley fanboi lol didnt know people would quote him
     
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  19. YaoMing#1

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    I get your point but the kids in ncaa all played aau for the most part and not everyone that plays aau plays ncaa ball.

    plus ncaa u have better coaching your playing with ppl older and stronger than you and your just in the spotlight Espn national tv big arenas full of screaming college kids.

    I wouldn’t compare ncaa too aau.

    I played aau with a few guys who went to ncaa and started in college but their is a major difference. Mainly the structure aau is like mini nba ball we’re one player can really dominate the rock ncaa is way more team ball Forsure and just overall bigger athletes.
     
  20. roslolian

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    Thats why I said its better but it is barely better esp when it comes to NBA. Just cuz a kid shoots 40% in college doesnt mean ig will translate to the NBA thats why there are so many busts and so many picks dont pan out and are outta the league in 3 yrs.

    For the NCAA seems its just better to forget %s entirely and just look at skillset and shooting form because the comp is so different. Mobley in NCAA and Mobley in SL looked like 2 different players. Mobley in NCAA was guarding guys 1-5, blocking guys wherever, doing drop steps and baby hooks etc

    Mobley in SL looked like a black Poku, extremely raw and couldnt do anything besides layups. Also played mediocre D.
     
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