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Case for Trading Up to get Alperen Sengun

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. blahblehblah

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    they did!
     
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    the whole video they’re playing background music that is really in the foreground. You can barely understand a word they say.

    who started this trend and why can’t it stop? I don’t need background sounds when I’m trying to listen to dialogue.
     
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    This might be true. But you can name more bigs that are liabilities in switch than those that aren’t.
    Drummond, Capela, Jokic, Thomas Bryant, Kat, Vucevic, even Gobert and Embiid.

    Majority are liabilities in switch
     
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    Definitely. Today's game forces bigs to guards perimeter players so much more than in the past. Players like KAT, Embid, Jokic, Ayton etc more than offset what they give up on those mismatches with what they provide offensively. I know Gobert can sometimes look terrible on switches but he actually has performed very well statistically on switches.

    Gasol, Embid, Gobert, Capela, Ayton, Looney and a few others IMO do enough to not be outright liabilities. The problem is if the big performs like a Kanter, Anderson, Adams, Drummond, Zubac and the coach is forced to literally take them off the floor for most of the game.
     
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    Even Capela, Embiid and Gobert, supposedly elite defenders are targeted in switches. Hell, Morey traded Capela for this reason.
    I think Sengun has the ability to offset deficiencies with his offense and effort levels on defense. He has some good analytics in deflections, contests like Drock has said.
    I don’t personally think he’ll be a liability, no more than any big in the league rather.
    He’s also underrated athletically, there’s some videos where he shows explosive movements.
     
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  6. CXbby

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    Ayton and Lopez both playing drop in the finals. The ability to switch is an ADVANTAGE, but NBA teams have been surviving without it for 50 years.
     
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    That would be great, since I'm a big fan of Scola/Mchale type post games and I'm really impressed by his footwork/moves.
    I always thought Capela was one of the better switch defenders when he was a Rocket. He was really long and athletic. He may have been targeted but I didn't think he was a liability guarding Westbrook like Adams/Kanter was a liability guarding Harden in that postseason series.

    A Bigs ability to guard switches is somewhat unpredictable (in some cases). Looney and Gasol aren't the quickest or more athletic centers, yet they've been above average at defending switches. Sengun's high motor and high bbiq could help him be more Looney-like defensively than Kanter-like.
     
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    A lot has changed in the NBA in the past 50 years. The league barely shot 3 pointers nor did bigs switch onto guarding the perimeter twenty years ago. Ten years ago, almost no-one shot threes off the dribble or off the high screen. In the past 5 years, switching and high screen and rolls are ever increasing as has 3 pointers off those plays.

    It started with Curry and the Warriors and reached its statistical peak with Harden and the Rockets. Now every team with a scoring guard is doing it. Trae and Luka showed in these playoffs how teams were forced to sit Bigs who couldn't defend it.
     
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    Mirsad Turkcan
     
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    True to an extent. But. Ayton and Lopez are both in the finals playing drop…
     
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    Drop coverage is still a very useful scheme as teams don't usually switch more than 25% of the time. Both Ayton and Lopez are very good at playing drop coverage while Ayton is at least average to good at defending switches. Lopez on the other hand has been benched or victimized at varying times by the high screen and roll throughout this postseason. His minutes per game has dropped dramatically the past two series compared to previous years despite the Bucks being shorthanded with Divicenzo's injury. Lopez is averaging just barely 24 minutes these finals and just 28 minutes in the ECF after averaging over 30 mpg (high of 35mpg) in series the previous 2 years.

    Ayton IMO plays above average defense against the high-screen whether it is drop coverage or hedging or switching. Lopez is great in drop coverage but below average everywhere else. He's not a Kanter, Ryan Anderson level liability but without his offsetting offensive game, shooting, rebounding and rim protection he wouldn't be far off.
     
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    Shouldn't we trade down to get this guy?
     
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    Trade up from 23/24. Mobley and Sengun front court would dominate the NBA for the next 15 years. They are the ice to the other’s fire, the yin to the other’s yang, vanilla to the other’s chocolate, peanut butter to the other’s jelly. Etc. Would also be an analytics bukake to the rest of the league. It would render small ball extinct and usher in a new age of reign of (modern) big men.
     
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    I've thought about it, and while 18 yr old turkish mvp prob means he is gonna be a really good player, from long term perspective may not be worth it.

    The reason is his playstyle is too old school, getting banged in the bucket for his post moves and fts. Thats not gonna fly in today's NBA you get perimeter non contact guys like Luka already dealing with neck problems and ankle issues at age 23 lol so what more a dude who gets his living banging with guys in the paint? We might be looking at season ending injuries in 4 yrs or w/e.

    It's not that its not effective, I'm just worried he gonna be Yao Ming 2.0 and just get worn down by scrubs beating him up game after game. I'd rather not invest in an Embiid type of player we can get enforcers for the vet min to rough opponent big men up.

    Mobley is prob facing a similar issue but one difference is his game involves a lot more switching on D rather than banging down low. On offense he doesnt really grind up on opponents either, using jab steps to get by defenders or non contact moves like turn around hook shots.
     
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    either that or trade up... just get him
     
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    I disagree. Skill is skill regardless of era. He has advanced post moves, he gets to the free throw line, and he shoots well from FT. Most importantly, while is he is doing advanced post moves he's still keeping track of all the pieces on the court to hit a cutter or spot up shooter. He's not mechanical at all when you look at his footwork, he has a very innate way of playing. Offensively, you hope he extends his range, gets to FT line, and is a poor man's Jokic.

    He's not 7'6" getting beat up in the post and he isn't a high level athlete, but he's still strong and has a good (not great) PF frame. Defensively, you hope he will use his bball IQ for positioning and be an above average rebounder.

    I'm not sure where I'd take him though.
     
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    Defensive issues way overblown. Legit shot blocker, led Turkish league in blocks and was second best rim protector according to synergy, active hands, 7th best in steals in the entire league not just for centers.

    There are very few sure things in the entire draft that I would take over him, Mobley, Suggs, that’s about it.
     
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    I love Sengun and hope we can pair him with whoever we get at #2.

    I'd deal Wood for him, and I like Wood, no homo.
     
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    I like this guy a lot. How high will he go? If we could trade Tate, 23 and maybe even 24 to get him, I think we should. Is he no. 7 or 14. Still think our best bet is Wood for 7, 14 Wiseman or if they won’t let go of wiseman than Wiggins but they have to take Gordan.
     
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    Mobley paired with Sengun would change the nba landscape like the splash brothers did.
     

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