http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7l8QuqzWy4&search=jj redick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZ1FWniUVI&search=jj redick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXEXmKz-94g&search=jj redick David Wesley could never do any of this in his dreams, and I think it should show that people that insist he is not an pick are deluding themselves a bit. Ronnie Brewer and Rodney Carney are good players and would certainly help the Rockets and be a big improvement over Wesley, but neither of them has anywhere near as much game as Redick. It's a odd that people chastise Swift so much for being a "by the numbers would be beast" that does not bring it. Check Swift's draft test tallies......... 6-9 barefoot 6-10 1/2 with shoes on 38" vertical off a standstill 40" vertical off one step 7-2 wingspan funny but he tested better than Amare did on size and athleticism. This board seems to be sure to point out Swift's problem areas, mainly not bringing it, but when judging Brewer, Carney, and Redick, Redick seems to be constantly put down based on the simple "by the numbers" of size and athletic prowess. Just because Swift is more athletic than Amare doesn't mean he will ever be the player Amare was. I'm not using this as an analogy with Redick, I'm just pointing out that it seems people are losing objectiveness when Carney and Brewer who are two very inferior players to Redick are suddenly superior to him over 3 inches of height and 4 inches of hops. Or to use a direct analogy, Vince Carter's test tallies 6-6 barefoot 6-7 with shoes 40" vertical standing still 42" vertical off one step Dwyane Wade's test tallies: 6-3 3/4 barefoot 6-4 3/4 with shoes 34" vertical standing still 36" vertical off one step Well guess what? If you want a better dunker pick Vince, if you want a better player pick DWade. Now I am not saying this applies to Redick, what I am saying is this board's general (as in most members) view is draft whomeever is biggest and most athletic first if they both can play. Well this boards general view of that would have you picking Carter over wade every time, and you know what? You would be dead wrong every time. So it's not even about Redick, it's about using criteria that are less important (3 inches of height and 6 inches of hop) as THE DECIDING FACTOR, over the REAL important criteria of who is actually the best player.
It's pretty convenient of you to diminish factors like height or hops and then equate Redick to a player like Redd who is nearly 4" taller. Redick's shooting similarities do not make him Michael Redd. Redd gives you something in transition and is more than a spotup shooter.
JJ Redick is 6-4 in shoes as already measured in his workouts and redd is 6-6 in shoes according to his draft listings. That's 2 inches not 4.
You have to have a certain amount of athleticism to even step onto an NBA court. That doesn't really matter here. JJ got it done in college, he should be able to do something in the pros as well. Why do you like him so much? Duke fan or think he'll help the Rox?
If you look long enough, you can even find Redd listed at 6'5"...five years ago. NBA.com lists him at 6'7". The difference between Redd and Redick is not measured with a ruler.
Well on my computer it lists him on nba.com at 6-6 but maybe it's like Duncan being 6-11 and Yao 7-5 after always being 7-0 and 7-6, but instead he upgraded. Still on my computer browser nba.com lists him at 6-6. BTW Redick has supposedly tested BETTER than Redd in athleticism and ball handling, so what exactly is your argument? No I am not a Duke fan either FYI I am a huge Rockets fan and I realize redick is the guy, and I am shocked so many fail to grasp it. But then again most fans here wanted Boki instead of Tayshaun, yeah I remember reading those views back then on my dad's computer at his house. Funny thing is then they were all about the shooter, now it's all about the "length and athleticism", people seemingly will find anything at all to criticise if they can't judge players properly. Afterall we all know Yao is "the Asian Rik Smits" like all the "draft experts" and "pro scouts" said he was. Yeah they sure nailed that one, so of course everything stated about redick is undeniable fact. And of course what would the Suns do if they never let Nash step on the court because he "might get burned on defense." I honestly have not heard a single argument against drafting Redick that is even remotely convincing, while every member's points on advocating drafting him bring up valid reason after valid reason. There's a reason why all anyone can give as an explanation for not drafting the best player at 8 (Redick) is "too slow, too small", etc it's because they can't think of anything and are throwing out setereotypes that are already proven false. You have the very management of Seattle, Utah, orlando, Houston, and Boston stating this as fact, yet the experts on this forum "know better." I haven't heard one explanation for the word that redick owned Foye in the Seattle workout one on one on both ends of the floor from the Redick doubters. Considering Foye is long, athletic, and considered the best defender at guard in the draft and considered "an athlete" unlike "slow" redick, well something doesn't add up. Then again remember that many so-called "experts" and fans alike predicted Yao would "never dominate" because "he is too slow, has no stamina, has no heart" etc. It's getting a bit tiresome that people keep saying "too small, too slow" when in reality it's a myth. If you think someone is better than Redick fine it is your right and your opinion, but to keep attacking people who are for drafting him with nothing better than literally "Rodney Carney is taller" or "Ronnie Brewer has longer arms" is really in all seriousness lowering the level of in-depth b-ball analysis on this forum.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_redd/ in case other members want to check themselves that he is 6-6.
Rik Smits was a pretty good player. Don't dog the term asian rik smits. That guy got up to play every night.
I never said Smits wasn't a good player, in fact he certainly was. However the so-called "experts" dubbing Yao "the Asian Rik Smits" indeed I will dog that, that is dead wrong and they were way off and Yao is being insulted with that statement. Smits was very good, Yao is well on his way to complete dominance. Smits was never anywhere near Yao.
redd is a franchise player in the nba with a max contract. at this point in time time it is ridiculous to suggest redick is better than redd as nba player in any possible way. you may think redick has the potential to be better in the nba but you cannot say he is better as he hasn't played in the nba.
Chad Ford's latest blog posting at ESPN: Redick rising like a Rocket From the NBA's perspective, one of the biggest questions of the college basketball season was this: Will J.J. Redick be a good pro? Can college basketball's Player of the Year become an elite NBA player? Or is he little more than a sharp-shooting role player, like Kyle Korver and Steve Kerr? Scouts have leaned toward the latter all year. Their concerns? His size for a shooting guard, his lack of athleticism, his defensive inadequacies and the one-dimensional nature of his game. But is there a point when you overthink a guy? His success at Duke was so dominant that the question must be asked, if he can do it against the best players in college basketball every night, why can't he do it in the pros? The early word back from workouts in places like Houston, Utah and Boston has been surprisingly positive. Sources with all three teams have said the same thing to me. Redick is better than they thought he would be. He's tested well in the athletic drills teams take him through. His defense has been aggressive in one-on-one sessions. He's shown the ability to create and make his own shot against some of the best college players in the draft. Even a guy who's been scouted and scouted and scouted can surprise folks. "I'm actually not a huge believer in individual workouts," one NBA executive said. "However, I think we learned a lot about that kid and it was all good. In almost every area, including shooting, he was better than we thought. You can watch him in games and see that he can really play. But it wasn't until the workouts that you could really see that he may be able to do some of those same things against NBA athletes. He's not going to be the MVP of the league or anything. But he's going to be a good player in the league." How good? Good enough that Redick appears to be in the conversation with the Celtics at No. 7 and in serious consideration by the Rockets at No. 8. In my first mock draft, I put Redick at No. 8, because he appeared to be a good fit for the Rockets. With Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady getting double-teamed on a nightly basis, Redick should have plenty of wide open jumpers. No one in the draft would be better at hitting them. But after Redick's workout, I think the Rockets see him as a kid who could eventually become the third best player on their team and as a gritty competitor who should be able to step right in and contribute. There's no question the Rockets want to be back in the playoff hunt next season. Besides Redick, Brandon Roy, who's unlikely to slip to No. 8, is probably the only guy in the draft who could play for the Rockets right now. If the Rockets don't take Redick at No. 8, he'll likely go to either the Magic at No. 11 or the Jazz at No. 14. But until I hear differently, I think that 8 might be Redick's magic number. http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad#20060607
There's no question here that Redick will never be a franchise player. But doesn't he compare favorably to guys like Jeff Hornacek, Allan Houston, even Rip Hamilton? Aren't all of those classic 3rd option guys? Still, you have to worry about your defense if you've got a backcourt of Alston, Redick, and Head. You might need to draft a big guard with your 2nd round pick, then look for PF help through the MLE. Tim Thomas, anyone?
Rockets Dynasty is starting to become the most intelligent poster on this board... I read your posts and I'm like wow. Your posts don't contain stupid sarcasm either, it is spot on.
I have no problem taking J.J. Redick with the 32th pick. Bring it on! Even if Redick is the illegitmate son of Jeff Hornacek (ie the second coming of Hornacek), he is not lottery pick; he is a late first rounder. Hornacek was selected by the Phoenix Suns in the second round (46th pick overall) of the 1986 NBA Draft. link
You haven't heard an argument that is remotely convincing? Or are you not listening to the arguments? The reason why some only give the "too slow, too small" explanation for not drafting Redick is because those are the only reasons, but that doesn't make them invalid or unreasonable. There are inherent problems when playing undersized guards not named AI. Even you have to admit this. Even if Redick is more athletic then some think he is, that doesn't negate the fact that he is 6'3" and will have problems guarding regular sized SG like Kobe, Josh Howard, Rip, Richardson, Carter, Manu, Allen, etc... You can either look at it that Redick owned Foye in the workouts, or you can look at it that Foye maybe a little overrated. Redick may have some great workouts and well, we know he is the best shooter in the draft. But like I said, it doesn't negate the fact that he is 6'3" SG that doesn't have a whole lot of variety in his game. Other than being taller or having longer arms, both Carney and Brewer are very athletic players that can score in a variety of ways. Brewer is one of those do-it-all guards that can score, rebound, play defense, and can handle the ball. The main point is that the current Rockets only have 1 SG on the team, another undersized guard. I wouldn't bash other posters because they would like to add some size, athleticism, and versatility to our backcourt, which is something we haven't had the past couple seasons. You complain that some are bashing Redick only because of his height and athleticism, but at #8, those are valid points because when you are picking this high, you have to look at everything versus when you are picking lower, you can just go with his positives are whatever.
We haven't had a solid shooter either. I don't think the value of spreading the floor has been given enough significance. It may outweigh the cost on the defensive end. I really don't know. Tracy can slide over and guard the big SGs when we need him to.
