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Case against Redick with our First Pick

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by anitasri, Jun 1, 2006.

  1. Sofine81

    Sofine81 Member

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    That is where you are wrong. Yao and Tmac demand the double team.

    With a 3 point artist on their he will have wife open shots.

    Also, outside of Yao and Tmac, noone was hitting; close range, mid range, or long range.

    But at least with riddick we have someone besides our top 2 who can hit a decent shot!
     
  2. jopatmc

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    Novak's shots came from open looks right at the collegiate 3 line. J.J.'s shots came with defenders in his shorts and from all over the court clear out to the time line and sometimes beyond. J.J. is the better pure shooter. I'd like to have Novak as a sniper but J.J. is the better shooter.

    I don't think we should take J.J. at #8 but I would like to see us work a trade for an extra first round pick. Why not send SS to NO for one of their picks if he is still there? I'd take him over SS riding the pine and sleepwalking through games.
     
  3. anitasri

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    No one disagrees with you. I would try and get Bonzi Wells if we need THE SHOOTING guard- if as someone suggested that we traded down and have the option of getting Shelden AND Redick- then I am not opposed to it, although I still think that if it is outside shooting of a big man that we need Novak is a better fit ( and something we can reasonably hope to accomplish with our Second Pick)
     
  4. hooroo

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    That was my point, the Rockets need to address making shots inside before they deal with the low percentage shot (3 pointer).

    The Rockets were forced to take threes because they didn't have anyone who could drive/slash and opposing guards were having career nights with their 3's.

    IMO, adding guards who can defend and get to the basket is more important than a guy with a 3pt shot. I hated how the Rockets impersonated the Sonics this season.
     
  5. No Worries

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    JVG might say we need defenders!!!!
     
  6. kaleidosky

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    6'4" really isn't undersized for the 2 guard. It may not be ideal, but it's taller than Wesley, albeit by an inch or 2. Shorter than the Kobe's of the world, but most SG's are.

    I agree with the fact that he could *easily* become a Hornacek/Jeff Malone type player. And that, AT WORST, he's a Jon Barry/John Paxon type. Great post...low risk, decent potential reward. Ideal for a slightly lower pick so we should move down if we can still get him...but not a TERRible reach since he's pretty ideal for this team.

    Last, stop giving me the stuff about Langdon... and stop giving me the stuff about "he's not good at X skill". The guy has a very competitive nature and has improved every year. He doesn't have to be perfect in every aspect of his game. I completely believe he'll improve his ball handling and passing, as well as penetration and defense. Motivated rookies don't come in and stagnate ala Harold Miner.

    Remember K Malone (the a$$) and his free throw and jumpshot improvement? MJ's jumpshot improvement? Yeah I'm coming up with some of the greatest players of all time, but I'm just saying people improve dramatically. Those are easy examples.

    How about Dan Majerle's improvement from an athletic slasher mostly to a 3 point bomber? Kevin Martin on Sacto this year?
     
  7. tierre_brown

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    Redick has never been a 30 ppg scorer. Not even 28. He's topped out at 26.8 playing basically the entire game (37.1 MPG).

    Plus, his defense is NOT underrated. I've watched games where once he gets beat, he doesn't even TRY to get back on D, just steps back and watches the post players try to deal with his defensive assignment. But that's where JVGs defensive scheme comes into play (pack it in, force them to shoot over you). If he does get burned redick-ulously badly, Yao will be there to pick up the foul or hopefully, the block.

    All that being said, come on. Maybe not with #8, but he'd be a good pickup late lottery, mid first round. And he's no Trajan Langdon. He'll be a serviceable player. I just don't understand how so many people are down on him. He's not the next Ray Allen or Reggie Miller, but he'll be a good player.
     
  8. univac hal

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    I would be perfectly happy with taking Redick at #8.. PROVIDED Roy, Gay, Carney, Brewer, Ager and Shawne Williams are off the board by then. Which is, of course, vastly improbable.. so I guess you could say there's no way at all I can be happy with that

    We need athletic perimeter help badly, methinks.. shooters we can add via free agency, read: Frahm
     
  9. dream2franchise

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    Three years down the track, Rockets and Jazz meet in the Western Conference finals, facing elimination our Rockets need a defensive stop so we stick T-Mac on Jazz shooting guard...JJ Redick.

    AK-47 inbounds the ball to JJ who is wide open, where's T-Mac? He's being bear hugged by Carlos Boozer. JJ doesn't even need to take a dribble, he simply launches it....i think we know what would happen.


    In all seriousness, i'm not even going to try to predict what JJ will achieve.
    He would definately find alot of open looks with T-Mac and Yao on the team. I can't really recall a player shutting down Kobe over a seven game series anyway.

    No one in this draft is a lock to succeed, it's an unknown. And we can't possibly get any worse than we are. No matter what happens, we will have improved our team and gotten younger, thats all that matters.

    I personally don't think he is worth the #8, let's just see what the Rockets do and hope for the best.

    Personally i like Carney as our pick, and he seems like our guy, we need a tall defensive two guard who can shoot. He fits the bill.

    But no one can honestly guarantee what any player will bring---it's just way too hard to see.

    I just don't want to get buried by a Redick three pointer in the closing seconds of a playoff game--so let's work on that "giving up the three and hope for the best" defense, what do you say, JVG?
     
  10. Sofine81

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    Where you say they should get inside scoring first I say, ANY one who can make a shot is better than what they had last year.

    I dont care if they get a guy who jack it up from the other end as long as he can put the ball in the basket!

    Mid-range, long-range, close- range......just make a shot!

    ANy shot! that was my point :cool: :)
     
  11. durvasa

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    In another thread, someone said that JVG apparently will have little to no role in deciding who we draft.

    I think that probably makes it more likely that we'd draft Redick.
     
  12. jopatmc

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    More likely in today's NBA:

    Jazz down by 3. Clock running down. AK inbounds the ball to J.J. who then dribbles towards the baseline. AK steps in and sets a moving screen on TMac who is pile driven into the floor, no call. Carney then leaves his man as the clock winds down to one second. Carney gets there in time to handcheck J.J. before he goes up for the shot. J.J. fires it as the whistle blows the "low basketball IQ" foul on Carney. As the ball is in midflight the horn sounds for end of regulation. Ball swishes through for the tie with the and 1 left and no time on the clock.

    Welcome to today's NBA.
     
  13. kerry Mckee

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    J.J Reddick is short at 6'4 for a two guard, period! Yes he can shoot. Give hime his props for that long forgotten skill, but he cannot get his own shots off without multiple screens. Remember the NCAA Tournament, how he was lock up and could not get his shot off. That made his draft status plummett!Also, he is very slow afoot. Dallas has given teams the blueprint on the type of players it will take to win the west. Players who are first skilled offensively, athletic enough to get their own shots and guard someone else. Also, new additions must have some size(6-6 to 6-8) at the 2 and 3 positions. Reddick cannot guard me and I'm 39 years old. Reddick is the second coming of Steve Kerr. He will have a place in the NBA, but he will not be a top notch SG who can start for most teams. I would much rather have Carney, Brewer or Roy with that 8th pick. Have you guys not goten enough of Josh Howard, Stackhouse, Daniels, Finley, Ginoboli and other just kill the Rockets shooting guards and small forwards(outside of TMAC) who all stand 6-3 and 6-4? That sight has been old for a couple of years now. :confused:
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    Reddick would be a solid player at #8 -- but i'm just not sure...

    Yao
    Stro
    T-Mac
    Reddick
    MJ

    With a new coach we could put up some points.

    ;)
     
  15. Believe

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    Anybody who disagrees really needs to examine the process.

    I agree 100%.
     
  16. gucci888

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    I agree that Reddick's shooting could definitely be used by the Rockets, but we also have other needs on the perimeter. I wouldn't mind if we traded down and picked JJ up, but at #8, I would like to see some athleticism and versatility.

    The problem with your Nash/Hinrich comparison is that they are completely different players. They don't really compare other than the fact that they are white. Nash and Hinrich are PGs that can shoot the ball, run an offense, and dish the ball. Reddick is a pure SG that is only good for shooting (which isn't a bad thing) but add in the fact that he is a bit undersized and will have to guard NBA SG's everynight maybe a problem.

    My main concern is the possiblity of Reddick being college good rather than NBA good. Duke has had a history of these type of players, I wouldn't be suprised if Reddick turns out to be the next Langdon or Hurley. It's not as simple as looking at the #1 scorer for a good team.
     
  17. T-2

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    SHOCKED, just SHOCKED that anyone would even consider JJ as a lottery draft selection, much less #8. To throw in Nash/Hinrich/Allen comparisons is absurd. Players don't suddenly learn PG skills or athleticism once they reach the NBA.

    When Houston plays Phoenix or Dallas, already there is a big problem mismatch on the defensive end with Yao when they go small-ball. Phoenix can throw a Tim Thomas, Dallas a Josh Howard (see last year), and Yao will be already hard-pressed trying to stay with those guys. Now imagine throwing another unathletic defender in there and watch our defensive rotations be utterly woeful. We will stand no chance at defending quality teams that precisely swing the ball around the perimeter and hit cutters.

    SG is an athletic position. We need shooters, but we can't sacrifice defense for a couple extra percentage points on 3-point shots. If a small SG is what floats your boat, sign Mike James and stick him there instead of PG, and let him shoot all the shots he wants. He will shoot just as well, and at least provide some athleticism and defense. Heck, against Phoenix, James at SG could match up against Barbosa and that would be a fairly even proposition. Now imagine Barbosa against Redick.

    Let's not get cute and try to stockpile a bunch of one-dimensional talent by trading down. We must start to focus on all-around players instead of specialists. Phoenix (and Dallas when they go small) has an entire floor unit that can shoot the three and effectively drive to the basket.

    Get a good all-around player at #8, sign a quality MLE player, get a shooter at #32, pick up a Padgett type, and let's roll with that.
     
  18. Wolfhound

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    If we picked at around 20 or later, I would grab JJ. He is not a top 10 pick. Yes he is a great shooter but in the NBA there are many of those. Can he seperate from a defender in the NBA and create his own shot? That is the question.
     
  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There is no need to pick Redick at #8, just trade down and get NOK's 2 picks and you can get Redick and Sheldon Williams. I would much rather have the 2 of them than Brewer or Carney.
     
  20. DribbleHooper

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    <a href="http://www.synapticblur.com/2005/03/24/j_j_redick_sucks/"><b>This</b></a> is all you need to know. ;) :p

    Okay, I don't know him from Adam... but that stuff is pretty funny.
     
    #60 DribbleHooper, Jun 2, 2006
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