We need a starting shooting guard or a player with the potential to become that. Can Redick do this for you? I see no potential to ever become a starter so I would stay away on draft day unless we end up trading down.
No way....... Ray Allen is maybe three times the athlete Redick is. I swear people always forget how athletic he is when they try to generalize him as strictly a shooter making it sound as if he can only do one thing on offense. Not only is he in a completely different class of athletic ability, Allen can also handle the ball as well as most PG's in the league. Redick can't even take more than two dribbles at a time before giving it up or shooting. Aside from actually being able to create his own shot, Allen can also drive to the basket just as easily as he can pull up with his ohh-so-sweet jumper. Redick has one of these "oh-so-sweet" jumpers and ability to shoot the ball at Allen's level, but thats where the similarities end. Redick will be a career bench player, and not that there's anything wrong with that since his shooting will be valuable to whoever drafts him, but I can't fathom spending a top 10 pick on him just to get a decent bench shooter.
Let's not get carried away with the very high and very low projections. How about we meet somewhere in the middle and say Redick will project like Jeff Hornacek? Very solid role player and scorer, dead eye shooter, helped Jazz quite a bit in the 1990's.
i know you didn't compare dwyane wade who has freakish athleticism and finishing skills, along with very long arms to reddick. wade may be 6'4 but he is MUCH stronger and MUCH more athletic than reddick. there is no comparison even with the same height. and yes, reddick may have scored more points than everyone on that list at duke, but this is all about what you can do in the nba. 5 out of those players listed on that list from duke are no longer in the league, while only three have gone on to become all-star/really good players in the nba. i'm not trying to hate on duke or it's products but you have to realize that coach K is a MASTER at hiding his players weaknesses and maximizing their strengths while at duke. you can't do that in the nba. the players and coaches are too good. jj has too many weaknesses to be a top 20 selection. he'll be a nice spot up jump-shooter off the bench. that's it. he's too one demensional to justify being taken late lottery, mid-first round. even in the perfect system, he's still an effective role player, playing around 20 min. off the bench.
on the rockets jj won't get the volume of shots he's afforded with at duke. i can imagine him coming off the bench cold, playing non-consecutive minutes, and being benched for the rest of the game by jvg after missing his first two or three and only shots. i don't see how the rockets can become a better shooting side outside of yao and tracy by getting a 3pt specialist when they had just as much difficulty if not more getting a plain inside shot in this season.
If NO will trade us their 2 first round picks (12/15), and Redick is still there with the 15, I'd take him, especially if we were able to get Cedrick Simmons or Sheldon Williams with the other pick. If Carney is still there at 12, though, I'd rather take him. And, if Foye is still there at 15, I'd rather take him. At 8, we shouldn't trade down if Morrison, Thomas, Gay, or Roy falls to us, though. They are a grade above JJ Redick and/or Sheldon Williams/Cedrick Simmons, IMHO. But, it'd be great for our depth if we picked up both a SG and PF in this draft. I doubt anyone in this draft would help us this year, though, so it wouldn't surprise me if we traded our pick for someone who could help us now. We could actually get a player out of the second round this year, too. Hopefully, Rudy Fernandez drops to us ...
JJ has been the best player at EVERY level he has ever played, on every team he has played. I think he will thrive in the NBA, maybe not to Ray Allen's level, but Honacek is a great example...who wouldn't want that kind of player on the Rockets? More than anything we need shooters, Tmac and Yao get teamates OPEN shots, Jon Barry if healthy was money.......now imagine all those open shots for JJ Redick.....we would be MILES better. DD
langdon never averaged 28ppg for duke. he was thier 6th man IIRC. anyway i think it's pretty clear that jj will provide shooting and high %'s and he can produce right now. he may end up the next steve kerr but at least he can produce. a guy like carney is risky. he may end up being nothing more than a dunker. I'm not advocating jj over carney. all i'm saying is you know exactly what your getting with players like jj and sheldon. with carney you could end up with the next richard jefferson or nothing but a dunker.
First, please spell his name correctly (especially those posters at the beginning of the thread), one "d"... J.J. Redick... I don't buy the "he will get steamrolled" defensively suggestion... You don't get the minutes he got under Krzyzewski by not playing defense... I've probably watched 90% of the minutes he played at Duke and he's progressed tremendously as a defender, and I would be willing to wager that he will only get better... He has more than enough athleticism to defend his position... He's every bit the athlete that David Wesley is... Heck, JVG put Ryan Bowen on Dirk Nowitzki in the playoffs last year, and I don't think J.J. takes a backseat to Bowen in terms of athleticism. He compensates for his deficiencies in lateral quickness by knowing the opponent's tendencies and where the help defense is coming from... This isn't putting Lance Berkman in centerfield here.... He's also more than just a shooter, he also improved dramatically in his ability to penetrate and draw fouls, and knows how to use his body like a veteran... I would absolutely pick him at number 8 if he's available...
Actually, he was the 1st option offensively his sophomore year; the 2nd option on a team with Elton Brand his junior year; and remained the 2nd option on a team with Brand his senior year, when he held off a young freshman named Corey Maggette for the starting SG position... In Langdon's last minute on the floor as a collegian, Krzyzewski, on a team with Brand, Maggette, Will Avery and Shane Battier, ran an isolation for Langdon with his team by 1 in the final minute of the 1999 National Championship game. He didn't average 29 ppg, but he was certainly no 6th man...
Whatever happens with Reddick, I can see some good "Clutch Classic Moments" coming out of this thread.
kirk hinrich to hornacek is a good comparison. jj is probably closer to glen rice the hornacek comparison is just way off.
As if they need this guy to do that- What do you think they are doing right now? Did you know that Steve Novak had better 3 point accuracy, Frahm was no spring chicken in College either. NO way is he worth the #8 Pick It is just funny to argue that because he will be threat on Phoenix- we need to have him. Did you consider Josh Howard and Manu Ginobili as potential Shooting Guards he needs to go up against first? ( I am leaving out Kobe Bryant, Bonzi/Francisco Garcia, Jason Richardson etc etc etc). No one is suggesting that he will not be a decent NBA player- but to anoint him as the best Duke Player ever is definitely beyond hyperbole! There are far more gifted players at #8.
We need shooters !!!! SHOOTERS !!!!! SHOOTERS !!!!!!! How many open shots did Bogans get? How many did Alston get? More than any other thing, the Houston Rockets need people who can shoot to surround Yao and Tmac. DD
And I would assume the EVERY LEVEL comment would mean peewee league, elementary, middle school, high school and of Course Duke! What he did at any other level is pretty much irrelevant in the NBA (no baby's allowed!)
Neither Frahm or Novak did anything remotely close to what JJ Redick did in college. He was the star player for the Dukie team since his sophomore year. He has played against lots of great teams in college and produced (with the exception in NCAA when he was faced guarded by the likes of Kirk Hinrich). Get your fact straight before you talk, and never compare JJ with Frahm or Novak. It's not even close.
Keep on hating, the guy will succeed in the NBA too, and not just by a little bit but by a lot. A solid starter at least, a perinial all-star at the best. DD
