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Carville: 'Ted Cruz Is the Most Talented, Fearless Republican Politician I’ve Seen in 30 Years'

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  1. glynch

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    It even applies when bald face lying on the Senate floor as Ted was doing at least wrt to Obamacare. costing million of jobs. So what are you and Ted blathering about? Others are free to point out how he lies and has his lies gain credibility by being repeated by Fox and Koch and friends.
     
  2. Felixthecat

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    Lol...you play the victim role to perfection.
     
  3. val_modus

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    If Obama is a socialist, hes doing a pretty ****ty job of being one...

    America is first in the world in billionaire, insurance company profits, prison industry profits, wealth disparity between upper and lower class in high-income nations, oh... and wall street is doing better than it ever did under Bush :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes he is doing a $&@$ty job. We found something to agree on.
     
  5. houactuar

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    See here is the thing, he may even want to help the poor, but the unintended consequences of higher taxes, penalizing companies who offered insurance to now pay for more stuff (free birth control, free "preventive" care with no roi, free mental health and substance abuse - all kinds of treatments with no clinical outcomes, unlimited lifetime max, free care for married kids who are 25 years old but still covered by parents....). All these added costs, taxes and regulations increase he cost of labor and have caused the economy to whimper along instead of roaring. The high corporate tax rates make companies like apple, yahoo, google, Burger King,.... Outsource profits, jobs, capital... All these policies cost jobs that would help the common folk Obama claims to be trying to help but he actually hurts them and it makes small companies less able to compete. That's why the rich have gotten richer under Obama. I'm not sure if that was his intention or not, but that is what he has accomplished.
     
  6. Nook

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    Ted Cruz has exceptional academic accomplishments.
    Ted Cruz is living proof of the American work ethic.
    Ted Cruz is a shining example of the American dream.
    Ted Cruz was a very successful and experienced attorney.
    Ted Cruz is an excellent, classically trained debater.
    Ted Cruz is fearless and willing to take risks.
    Ted Cruz is a very bright man on par with Barrack Obama.

    No one should doubt any of that.

    Unfortunately;

    Ted Cruz comes across as extremely insincere.
    Ted Cruz is an *******.
    Ted Cruz is personally disliked by his own colleagues.
    Ted Cruz is very calculating, to a fault.
     
  7. Nook

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    I know....

    I have always thought it was odd this particular "group" of Republicans complain that black Americans always play the victim.... Yet they themselves end up playing the role of martyr and "victim" as much or more.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    I think you are confusing a single income of 90K and 90K for four people. Those are very different things.

    Socialism isn't in the program at all. Unless it's socialism to insurance companies.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Your argument doesn't really make sense with other arguments you've made.

    According to you Obama and the Dems want to let illegal immigrants into the nation so they can hook them on govt. programs and make Democratic voters out of them.

    Yet they want to force birth control to be available from insurance even though more babies to these people would also mean more folks who would become dependent on govt. programs and vote for Democrats. Also if fewer people had insurance and had to use their money for medical treatment or insurance that would drive them onto the govt. programs and thus turn them into Democratic voters by your logic.

    So the problem with your arguments is they don't really go together very well.
     
  10. glynch

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  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    yeah, that "socialist" program required that people purchase insurance from private companies in the free market.

    Your inability to understand the definition of the word "socialism" is astounding.
     
  12. houactuar

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    I have always thought it odd that liberals rather then debate issues instead merely smear those they disagree with, always playing the race card as an out. I guess when your ideas have no merit you can't discuss issues and all you have left is smear tactics and partisan attacks.
     
  13. houactuar

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    Your inability to read and understand subsidized coverage up to 400% of fpl is the cause for your confusion.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Bullsh!t. I've tried to discuss the issues with you only to have you ignore these discussions. You're the one who tossed out "libtard" repeatedly while providing no evidence whatsoever to support your claims.

    You appear to suffer from the same problem with projection that Bobby does because you are accusing liberals of doing the things that you do.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Subsidized premiums is not the extent of the ACA. The ACA specifically avoided socialism in the form of a single payer system.

    Get a clue, please, you desperately need one.
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    By the way, making sure that insurance is affordable on a sliding scale, given that everyone is mandated to purchase it (from private companies) does not make the ACA "socialism."
     
  17. houactuar

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    I think you are confusing yourself with your confusion. I know precisely what household income means. Two parents making more than 45k is not poor. Or a single parent making 90k+ with three kids is not poor. That's not rich, but not poor and no reason to extend subsidies that far other than pure socialism. And it creates perverse incentives of rewarding people to not work or achieve.
     
  18. houactuar

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    It's not? What do you call it? Should the government also make Cadillacs affordable on a sliding scale? Homes in river oaks affordable on a sliding scale? Making things affordable to those who can not afford them on a sliding scale is the essence of socialism. Taking away from those who earn things and giving to this who don't.

    I don't have a problem with a safety net. Medicaid coverage for the poor. This is not that. This is an expansion of Medicaid beyond the federal poverty level. That's socialism.

    And the real tragedy is it hurts working Americans because instead of addressing a problem, the high cost of insurance and medicine it makes that problem worse and creates more problems, like job loss and reduced hours to make people into par time workers who used to have full time jobs.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    Bullsh!t. It creates the incentive to have insurance rather than pay the penalty.

    People who don't work already had their incentive, Medicaid. If you're seriously trying to claim that a household income of $90k shows someone who isn't achieving, you're delusional.

    BTW, in case you hadn't noticed, the subsidies are on a sliding scale and decline as income goes up.

    You obviously don't know the definition of the word "socialism," or have gotten your definition from Fox pundits, here you go...

    Full Definition of SOCIALISM
    1
    : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
    2
    a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
    b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
    3
    : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
     
  20. houactuar

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    Ted Cruz is sincere
    Those in his own party do not like him because those people work for their own benefit, bigger government, more power and wealth to the lobbyists in DC. Those are the Bush republicans. Bush was a bad president, and Obama is a lot like Bush in many ways. People like Bush and Obama don't like people like Cruze because Cruz would take away power from government and give it back to the people. His policies would be good for the economy and make people less depends on government. Independence and freedom are not popular in DC.
     

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