The death of the critic? These people are calling for the death of the entire countries of Denmark and France!!!
exactly, you know why? cause christ was a peaceful guy who taught peace and forgiveness, thus most of his followers try to do the same.
gah I hate to say it, but I'm 100% on this with texx. I think people need to serisouly calm down and NOT act all belligerent when someone accusses them of being belligerent
the people of these countries have no freedom and face segregation of the sexes because of religious reasons. if you are bottled up like that, you tend to be aggressive and militant. its so hard to believe that people in other countries dont have the freedoms we do. thats why people hate us, its not because of george bush. like him or not, at least you can criticize him. i hate the idiots here who dont realize their freedoms. all of those people who wanted to leave america if bush won. move then to pakistan or iran then. dude, in other countries (saudi arabai) you cant choose your leaders and their terms never end. here you have a chance to elect a new leader every 4 years. basically its not about religion, its about people player hating. denmark and france are free countries, some cartoonists can make fun of their own people, no one will burn flags or declare holy war if it happens. they hate their freedoms.
they need to open up their society and end this bs religious restricitions. u have to have diversity (women,men, people of different religions) to be successful. they need to enbrace technology not censor it.
This is an interesting twist on the story: http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2006/02/fabricated_cart.html
That Danish imam is truly a piece of **** if that story is accurate. He is solely responsible for this incident that is now harboring so much ill will and kidnapping threats by the radical Muslims in the Middle East. It's truly sad that such open countries such as Denmark and Sweden are being inundated by immigrants from places like Pakistan and Palestine looking for free social and health care handouts, and this is the treatment they receive from this powerful Danish iman.
do you support the right of the guy to make that cartoon? is it freedom of speech and criticism? is he basing some of his criticism on fact? those are the questions. people in other countries make fun of americans and we recognize that some of the things are based on facts.. doesnt mean we threaten their right to criticise us. its true that some idiots spoil it for the majority, but you have to recognize that it exists.
I've only had a chance to skim this thread and am short on time so I'll try to keep my replies brief. First off I think there are two important concepts here. One is freedom of the press and the second is respect and religious tolerance. I'm not going o deny that these cartoons are offensive to Muslims but at the same time part of living in a mulit-plural society is that every group will have to expect a certain amount of offense. The problem with calling for the governments to intervene in this matter is that while we can argue that its for a good cause of not offending people, as opposed to covering up misdeeds of the government, it sets a bad precedent of having governments interfere with the free exchange of ideas in the press. So yes of course characturing the Prophet Muhammed is offensive and dangerous because it riles people up but according to Porter Goss reporting that the NSA secretly wiretapped Americans is offensive and dangerous too. If we justify censoring the press on one issue then it becomes even easier to justify it for another and another... A free society isn't a non-offensive or even a safe society. While there certaily are excesses in the media the alternative of a timid or goverment censored press IMO is far worse. The second issue is religious tolerence. Obviously the flip side of freedom is tolerence and yes the press should be more tolerant and careful and of course Muslims should be more tolerant of media and respect the free press even if it offends them because a free media lets them get their message out too. One other aspect of tolerance though is that critics should also be more tolerent of Muslims and understand why there is so much anger over this. Reading some of these posts most of the invective is directed towards Muslims. Even worse IMO are Christians taking potshots at Muslims by saying that Christians are so level headed by not getting violent over characaturers of Jesus. True there haven't been violent Christian protest but I don't think many Christians can complain of over reacting when Christians in America are claiming they're getting persecuted because people are saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" I haven't heard Muslims getting upset that more people don't greet each other with "Asalaamalakum" In a free society Muslims have the right to be offended and express that offense. I think getting violent might be too much but at the same time economic boycott and peaceful protests are totally acceptable under a free society and capitalistic system and for the most part the protests against this are along those lines. Finally this issue is taking place mostly overseas and our laws and world view aren't the same as those of Europe or the Middle East. In the end as Americans we don't really have a dog in this fight and it is pretty arrogant of us to be arguing what people in Denmark, France and Jordan should be doing. In the end its up to them to decide and I very much hope that major US political and press figures don't stick their noses into this.
Let me get this straight: Muslims are so wrapped up in their religion that they are outraged that a cartoon would depict Mohammed. Then, those same 'religious' people call for 'death to Denmark' and try to kidnap foreign residents? Can you say hypocrisy? Islam is the religion of the uneducated third world, no one disputes that. They are literally centuries behind the rest of civilization. Democracy and education are so severely needed in Muslim-dominated areas of the world. Something must be done to stop them from behaving this way so often.
Your blanket statement of Muslims calling on death to Denmark is off target, and shows a disposition to generalizing and stereotyping people. Some Muslims have certainly called for 'Death to Denmar.' But to claim that Muslims in general have done this and want to kidnap foreign residents shows a flaw in your logic. Some might also dispute that Islam is the religion of the uneducated and third world, contrary to your statement.
basso, you may have seen me refer to my wife's older Dutch cousin, who decided to try for the Swiss border, rather than stay under Nazi occupation. He was caught trying to cross into Switzerland, shipped back to the Netherlands, and ended up in a concentration camp, where he saw much he'd like to forget. He was lucky... the Nazis, the perverted bastards, saw the Dutch as Aryan of some kind. He was luckier than your uncle. Freedom is a precious thing. They both risked their lives for it, and one paid the ultimate price. The other is highly educated, very successful, and still has nightmares. I'll never forget talking to him, and walking the grounds of where he saw madness at work. Keep D&D Civil.
Speaking of cartoon rows... Seems like we're having our one here in America. The military is up in arms about this toon and the joint chiefs have written a letter to the WaPo in protest. I can understand their anger but I think its misplaced. The toon isn't directed at the military, it's directed at Rumsfeld's stupid comments from last week.
I disagree. If you believe in a free press and free speech, you have a 'dog' in this fight. If your belief in those principles stops at our border then I'm not sure they are 'principles' at all.
Hmm...I see bigotry has reared its ugly head in this thread by a few posters. Sadly, rather expected. Wow! Great logic! Yes, you're right, Muslims are mad because they're not having casual pre-marital or extra-marital sex. May be you should examine how your religion regards these types of sex and then get back to me... More great logic, you're on a roll. LOL! The funniest thing I have ever read in the D&D! Let me guess: your knowledge of history and actions of "followers of Christ" goes back to...hmm...the day you were born?
you know i purposely write stuff to entertain you Tigermission! 1. I'm not a bigot. I've got lots of muslim friends. 2. every religion and culture has their problems, so just saying that one culture has a problem doesnt make me the son of satan. 3. the christians have issues too, i can bash them, but this is about the muslim cartoon. i hate michael w smith. 4. what countries have the worst women's rights? 5. i tell my muslim friends what's the deal against pork? i know back in the day it wasnt healthy, but it being a bad thing in religion come on.
why dont u try giving a solution to the problems instead of attempting to go toe to toe with the greatest poster on clutchfans? dude give an opinion, quit hating. whats your opinion on this? is it cool that people are saying 'death to denmark'? what don't u buy furniture at IKEA?
dude, they can't even hold hands without the regilious police watching. there's a struggle within muslim societies about this. check out any documentary about Iran. young couples have to far from the city just to hold hands and romantic momments. you just wont admit there's faults in other people's cultures and religions. Im a christian and i think the christian church is most corrupt place on earth. does that make ant-christian? no. you can't go to jail for having premartial sex in america, but in the middle east you can. also check out the unfair divorce rules for women. read your stuff and check yourself before facing the tinman!
