there's a whole slew, pardon the pun, of these at Fark http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1898359
Anyone can claim to be a religious cleric, or imam. He could be illiterate on most of the teachings of Islam and still be called a cleric if he has a beard and he looks religious. I doubt that this man knows much about Islam if he put a bounty on another man, especially since in islam, anyone accused of a crime must stand trial. And its a crime to put a bounty or murder someone in those countries as well.
Theres many problems with this statement. many times being silent is the strongest action for example. about 50,000 muslims in pakistan protested, right. There are 10,807,800 people in Karachi alone 50,000 "demonstrated"/rioted Which means 10 757 800 people did not do so... Lets say another 50,000 wanted to riot but they didnt. That still leaves a HUGE majority of people that were calm, and dont want to be a part of such violence. And no one in their right mind would stand upto them and actually protest their protests. Sometimes getting in the way of an angry bull is stupid, well actually, its always stupid.
Svpernaut, I dont see too many christians having a unanimous outry about the muslim graves in european countries being descrated... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3837591.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/4406760.stm http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FD8A7A9A-487C-4D19-9343-662C9FD5E464.htm just lilke you wont ever find a unanimous group of christians condemning these acts, you wont find a unanimous group of muslims condemning the acts of riotres. Yes there are tons and tons of muslims who are giving speeches daily about these riots and how they arent right, you wont hear em most likely because A. your not gunna be in a position to be lectured by muslims, and B. because it wont get media attention unless its a huge big event.
If you dont understand what goes on in a mosque, then GO IN AND FIND OUT. I didnt know what went on in a buddhist temple till i went in and walked around a few weeks ago. Your not gunna get any knowledge sitting behind that computer screen all day, well you may get some, but you wont get anything but second hand information. Wait, I thought the whole point of muslims speaking out against the violence is so that OTHER muslims understand the wrongness of their deeds and stop the violence. If we wanted media attention and try to show a good face on BBC nightly then there are ways to do that too. But in my opinon, splitting the Muslims over cartoons doesnt seem like a good idea, its better to talk about it in the mosque and let it calm down eventually. The American muslim image is being worked on around the clock. Im sure youve heard of CAIR, many many muslims follow them. http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1982&theType=NR http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=38922&theType=NB http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=38923&theType=NB http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1999&theType=NR Im telling you, there are many muslims condemning violence and stupidity, but sometimes you have to look harder to find it, because media only goes to what sells. well lets just say your past posting history made it seem as if you were insincere in your desire to understand and tat you just posted to be an ass. Now since this is about my faith, and it is an important issue, im taking my time to explain stuff to you, and others as i have in every other thread about islam in this forum. And it works both ways, Just as many of the actions of some muslims make American muslims look bad, so do the actions of some morons who print offensive caartoons about a religious leader. For an uneducated hick in the middle east, a white guy is a white guy no matter what part of the west he is, he is an american. So the actions of those people are indirectly being focused on anyone who is christian,and white. Its sad how it works, but its life. Lets just hope this stuff passes soon.
I ask you for links of news stories where muslims are speaking out and you show me VANDALISM by a few people in freaking europe? I don't know if you heard this or not, but people in graves are ALREADY DEAD yet these rioters have killed ALIVE people, INCLUDING CHILDREN! Once again, PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE YOU ARE STANDING UP IN ONE UNITED VOICE! All I asked was for one link in a major news outlet showing a large group of "civilized muslims" condemning the acts of these rioters. Also, your "okay, so only 50,000 of them rioted and protested" is just a sick way of looking at it... that makes sense in your mind? 50,000 freaking people?! Give me a break. It is your religion getting a black eye while you and your civilized brothers sit idley by doing absolutely nothing about it... I guess you don't have a right to call people who make assuptions on your religion idiots/bigots/spoof fed morons since you have done NOTHING here to show us that the peaceful muslims are taking a stand for what is right.
since they are dead, does that make the crime any less of a crime. You totally avoided my question, I accept that it is wrong to have violent riots and for people to die and kill over such stuff. And then you go on and critisize me for saying that 50,000 people is a small amount of people yet you do the same thing saying wait now, if i use your way of thinking, why the hell do i care what a FEW people in the middle east and South asia are doing. Right? There are two sides to this problem, you cant ignore one side and expect the other to be fixed. i guess you dont know how to read. maybe if i bold and capitalize the links youll read em this time maybe this is why most of the muslims are pissed off at you, you refuse to read what is given, then continue on with the same accusations and closed minded views http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-cartoons15feb15,0,3009288.story
Adeel, it's great that there are conferences of understanding. But these are all held in America sponsored by an American based group. I'm pretty sure no one here is worried about American muslims rioting and smashing the galleria over the cartoons. How about those "Me angry, Hulk smash" people in the ME? And you've been going out of your way to give them the benefit of the doubt, which is very reflective of that article Mulletman posted.
this is because of economics, if you are in a good economic situation, you tend to be smarter, have wealth, are more civilized. if you are poor, you're already angry. muslims, jews, christians, buddists, etc in america are well off. you can be poor here, but its NOT PAKISTAN OR AFGHANISTAN POOR. you drive a beat up hoopty? they have camels and mules. example, you diss the rockets here, you get some return diss and thats about it. in the other world, you get effigys, rocket flags being burnt, people torching drexler's barbq. etc
Im sure there are some of the same types of things going on in Europe, ME, and IndoPak. and all over the world. Just like after 9-11 there were a numerous number of muslim organizations that condemned the acts, yet for the longest time, people over in USA still didnt understand that concept due to the lack of media coverage. Yes, there is a possibility that there isnt that much anti violence conferences going on overseas, but atleast by holding them over in USA, we can set an example for some people in other parts of the world, and maybe they will learn by our examples.
http://www.thebatt.com/media/paper6....shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.thebatt.com tell that to our fans in A&M
I see I have left you a whole day to do some research and find out for yourself Muslim religious leaders and politicians condemning the riots, but apparently you just don't want to do the work. Anyways, let me just give you a few examples... Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani -- who most Shi'a Muslims consider to be the highest religious cleric in Shi'a Islam alive today -- not only condemned the violent backlash by some Muslim protesters, but went further and accused those people of doing the most harm to the image of their religion, much more than any non-Muslim could have; this guy is not some local cleric, he's THE man in Shi'a Islam. Another is the leader of Al-Azhar mosque in Egypt, who's one of the most respected Muslim scholars in Sunni Islam (about 90% of Muslims identify themselves as Sunni), he's about as close as Sunni Islam will ever get to a Pope, because we just don't have that hierarchical structure in Islam. He condemned the riots and violence and called it un-Islamic. Among politicians, King Abdullah of Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt, and countless other Muslim politicians denounced the violence. Not only that, but the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) -- which speaks for and includes every single Muslim nation in the world, about fifty-five in total -- issued the following statement in solidarity with the UN and the EU (to show support and unity with the international community in times of strained relations): "We strongly condemn the deplorable attacks on diplomatic missions in Damascus, Beirut and elsewhere." In the U.S., CAIR (Council on America-Islamic Relations) -- the Muslim NAACP or LULAC-- condemned the violence on more than one occasion, and had their spokespersons go around from MSNBC to CNN to various other stations to let it be known that they denounce the violence, that protests should be peaceful. Just wanted to give you a 'glimpse', and that doesn't even go into how at my local mosque for the past two Friday prayers (the weekly Muslim noon prayer that's equivelant to the Sunday mass for Christians) the sermon included condemnation of violence and the urging of Muslims to always "show your best face" and behavior in dealing with non-Muslims, because that's the best way to represent your religion and spread the message of Islam through the way we live, the way we act, and most importantly the way we treat others. Thanks for your time, now back to watching Luther Head making shots for a change...
I don't post on the forums on the weekend... I will respond to the little that you guys have shown come Tuesday, I have Monday off. I AM STILL WAITING ON LINKS SHOWING THIS MASS CONDEMNING THE PROTESTORS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SAID ARE OUT THERE!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060218/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings These people are nuts. Seriously, the biggest threat to Muslims isn't some cartoons or the verbal critics of Islam but these idiots.
