Given that Bakri has been connected or alleged to have terrorist ties, I don't put much stock in any 'fatwa' he issues...he's a radical through and through. Shari'a law is not applicable to a non-Muslim society and is not applicable to non-Muslims, period, for that fool cleric to claim that The Koran clearly instructs Muslims to tell non-Muslims, "You have your own beliefs and I have mine", and that there is "no compulsion in religion". You can't force your theology on someone else.
i've read MOST of the Koran. not all of it. i didn't recall reading anything that supported what this guy was saying.
I've followed most of this thread and have yet to chime in - not really knowing if there is anything worth saying. As it is, great posts from thegary and madmax, as well as tigermission, adeel and sishir. But I can't help myself: This is simply religious r****dation at it most glorious. A mob of people, uncivilized, violent, hypocritical and intolerant. For what? A cartoon of a man. Not even a deity. Only a "religious conviction" could compell people to be this illogical and idiotic. Only a politicized organization, focused on aquiring power, with absolutist interpretations of good and evil, and an uncompromising view of morality and law - religion - could induce what we see now on the news. People are dumb, but it takes effort and organization (and a belief in the supernatural) to make them this dumb. There, I said it. Flame away.
I'm sure that post offended many. Maybe it came out to harsh - or islam-centric - but that was not the intent. It just amazes me what strange and stupid things people will do in order to "prove" themselves believers. Back to your comment, I understand Mohammad was a prophet of Allah - a man.
i like your view. its true people are idiots. there are 1% smart people, the rest will jump off a cliff because some dude said so. think about how stupid some religious rules are 1. no one is eating pork in certain countries 2. some people haven't had a haircut...EVER 3. men and women are segregated. why ? if i saw some hottie we'd jump on each other bones in the middle of the street? 4. i only win basketball games or have success because i prayed to some dude 5. i can go crazy and be a bad citizen, but all i have to do is confess that i did it, and its cool. i'm forgiven. 6. cows are sacred 7. i can't say god's name...jehovah 8. there are many divisions of the same religion. so jesus really wanted like 50 versions of his teachings. there suni, shia, suffi. i'm sure mohammed wanted that too. 9. UTAH 10. some cant eat cheeseburgers cause its meat and dairy. ???!@!#!@#?? 11. we cant draw pictures of the dude we worship...who the hell knows what he looks like since he died a billion years ago 12. chrisitian heavy metal and rap. good grief.
Actually I had no clue about Mohammed's status in Islam. Frankly I'm afraid that mispelling his name could be an offense at this point.
I thought you were reasonable enough to read my previous posts and know that I am not defending those people...I won't call you a liar and I will just assume that you haven't read this thread in its entirety. Show me proof that I am defending those people...thanks in advance.
it's making an idol of him..which is prohibited. these aren't my beliefs, but they're theirs. we can say they're crazy...but those folks think we're crazy, too. that we bow down at the altar of liberty above everything else...and their views contrast with that. who's right? who's wrong? i don't know. but my mom told me that when you offend someone, you apologize. seems like good advice to me.
You know, it's not even that in this case, because there have been numerous portrayals of Muhammed in the past in Western papers, movies, etc. The real problem here is portraying the messenger of God as a terrorist, which is what the cartoon did. The mere portrayal of the prophet by a non-Muslim is not an issue, the portrayal of the prophet as a terrorist is an issue.
But portraying Jews as Nazis is OK? I would find the Muslim objections more convincing if their own press didn't offer up such images of Jews.
i agree. but that doesn't lessen the objectionability of the cartoons does it? this moral relativity is dangerous on both sides. just because the west can say look you do it too doesn't mean its ok. and just because they say well you do it so why can't we doesn't mean they're ok.
No, it's not right, just like portraying Arabs as terrorists in Hollywood movies is not right (read Covering Islam by the Christian Edward Said). Again, portraying some followers of a religion in a negative manner is not comparable to labeling their own faith and its messenger a terrorist. The followers of a religion could be misguided and some even terrorists and nazis, but that doesn't mean the religion is a terrorist organization; the cartoon attacked the messenger himself and not the followers, i.e. it attacked the religion and by so doing labeled every follower of that religion a terrorist. I will give you this...you're right that often Arabs are guilty of stereotyping and lumping all Jews together as "Zionist enemy" and "Nazi-like", among other things. It's ignorance, plain and simple.
I don't even know how Chinese Muslims got brought into this....but this statement is incorrect according to many Chinese Muslims.
