Yep, as expected the muslim protesters took it up a notch with their inclination toward violence. The rest of the civilized world clearly sees that we're dealing with hypocritical two faced zoo animals.
I have a question to Gwayneco, Tinman, and Mleahy and others who continue to go after Muslims over this issue. What is your point regarding this issue and your seeming obsession over this? I can undersand Tigermission and Adeelsiddique's focus and defensiveness on this since they are Muslims but this is an issue that doesn't relate to the US yet you are reacting with such a degree of invective as though you are somehow personally offended that Muslims are outraged over this.
Obviously it reeks in your post that you cant see anyone labled muslim as anything but evil. I mean if you even read this thread alone, you will realize there are TONS of muslims that are condeming violence, dont condone it, and are furious over the overreaction of other muslims. YET, you decide to drop in your post full of wisdom and insult the whole religion and its followers. The ones that preach peace and love and all, arent the ones that are torching embassies and trying to find "white euros" to kidnap. Its the morons that dont know better and are just venting ALL their frustrations out. If you believe that, i dunno waht to say, i just feel sorry for you.
Some Muslims get violent over their religion. Some Christians get violent when their sports team wins a championship. Christian sports fans are nothing but hypocrytical two faced zoo animals.
Wait a minute, I understand you guys defending your religion, but there is NO DEFENSE at all for these morons running around burning buildings etc....NONE !! Being stupid is not a muslim trait, it is a human trait, and different things trigger it for different people. Right now, the Mullah's use their religion to create a hate mentality, and incite the crowd to do things they would not normally do. This could escalate, and the worse part is, that people will die....FOR A ****ING CARTOON !!! DD
I don't understand the mentality to defend these arsonist just because the protesters have the same religion as you. These people are purposely creating chaos and havoc. It's akin to someone who is Catholic blindly defending those child molesting priest, because they share the same faith. That is wrong. Scumbags are scumbags no matter the religion. As previously stated, I'm fine with protest. It's when it turns violent that it becomes problematic.
While all that is true, in this world of whoever screams the loudest are getting the most attention. And at this moment, those morons that are setting buildings on fire are the loudest. This does not help with image of Islam for the average European/American. Obviously, there are a few leaders that are inciting this kind of violent response, I wonder what's their ultimate goal
It's very simple. I don't want to see the West and the US capitulate to these bullying tactics. Is that really hard for you to understand?
But as Sisher pointed out, the U.S. isn't really involved here. We aren't a target, and aren't really dealing with the brunt of these attacks ourselves. What is there to capitulate to, as far as the U.S. is concerned on this issue? I don't want any govt. to give into censoring the press. I think censorship anywhere is bad.
the piss christ issue is a wholly different thing- apples and oranges. the controversy was about how our tax money was being spent. people couldn't believe there wasn't art out there more worthy of the meager crumbs the gov tosses at artist in our country. i myself was mortally offended, not because it insulted christianity, but because it was a crappy art work by a crappy artist. and rimbaud, sorry, but i have to call bull**** on your objects in urine for atmosphere theory. give me a break, the guy is a provocateur.
Last I checked the US wasn't involved with this. The only people who seem to want to make the US involved are people who share the same attitude as you. As far as the West that's not a cultural monolith since there are many things that the Europeans do that we do not and vice versa and a change in regard to freedom of the press in one country doesn't automatically lead to a change in another, even in the EU. If you are going to complain about bullying do you care that Europeans protest the US death penalty (sometimes heatedly) or have you been concerned that there are subjects that European governments censor already as a matter of law? Or are you just upset when the bullying is from Muslims?
^ I could agree with that and I would argue that the US shouldn't censor it in the face of outside pressure. That said though we're not talking about the US. Its up to Europeans to decide how much they want to limit the press. As a matter of law in some European countries they already censor their media.
sishir, let me put it to you this way. it hits me personally because of who i am. one of the reasons i wanted to get out of texas was to be around more tolerant people. i am an artist, i get paid to "say" what i think. people here in new york get mistaken for being rude when in reality they are just not sugarcoating stuff. i saw far more fights break out in texas than i've ever seen in ny. almost always the fight was over something really stupid, like an insult. look, i'm a white guy, in the majority and have never had to worry about being any sort of persecution. i just hate intolerance, it goes against everything i want to be.
I don't understand, where in this thread is ANY Muslim defending these arsonists and criminals? Those who perpetuate violence are worse than scumbags and are doing a HUGE disservice for the faith they claim to love and defend. How the hell does retaliation against innocents and burning buildings and destroying properties and attacking churchs accomplish anything? It doesn't, all it accomplishes is a group of people waiting for a chance to vent their anger and deeply-held hatred of foreigners (Europeans/Americans for the most part) and anyone who's different from them. Let me give you an example of what happened in Lebanon to better illustrate that these guys are a bunch of thugs. There was an attack on a Danish embassy in Beirut, and during those attacks thousands of security forces couldn't keep back the violent protesters despite using water cannons and sticks to beat back the crowd, and despite firing gunshots in the air to warn them. All the while, Muslim Imams went out of their ways to calm down the crowd and tell them that violence would be a major violation of Islamic teachings, yet one of those Imams was spit at and beat (I saw that on Dubai TV last night) and they were told to move aside for their own safety. Moreover, the Grand Mufti (the highest Muslim religious figure in Lebanon) denounced those who committed violence and said that they were a bigger threat against Islam than any cartoon or any enemy, because they defamed their religion. Meanwhile, the Lebanese Interior Minister issued his resignation in protest of the violence and was, to say the least, disgusted by that mob mentality that those protesters displayed. In all of Arab North Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, and Algeria) -- the more moderate part of the Arab world -- there hasn't nearly been this type of reaction to the cartoons. Heck, even in the conservative Gulf there hasn't been this type of violent protests that have been mainly concentrated in Syria and Lebanon (I wouldn't be surprised if the Syrians agitated these protests in some form or fashion). I haven't really heard of any such violence in the Muslim Asian states, etc. I agree with DaDa on this and FB and others on this issue. Oh, and Sishir, I am not defensive at all as far as these riots are concerned, there is nothing to be defensive about when it comes to denouncing violence, and if you noticed I even started this thread, becuase I was kind of surprised that gwayneco or mleahy or another one of our internet 'crusaders' didn't get a jump on it when they woke up in the morning and googled "Muslim violence", so I had to cover for those slackers.
Sishir, I know you're a nice and well-spoken guy, but come on, is it really not clear to you what agenda people like gwayneco, T_J, mleahy, and a few others have? You don't have to guess at all, just read their posts in this single thread (or numerous other previous ones) and it will be as clear as day what type of mentality they bring to the table.
The only people who want the US to ignore this are peeople who share the same attitude (or should I say dhimmitude) as you.
i think there are some folks in this thread who might be supporting this deep down. but i'm not sure.
