I agree that the fire in a theater argument is limited, however at the current moment, its all i can conjure to equate the current topic with. There are many if and thens you add to a simple statement. I can do that just as easily If the cartoons were printed at home, and not in the paper, no one would care, nor would there be any riots etc etc. You dont want to live in a crappy world that results from my philosophy? People have all sorts of different philosophies of life, and if your willing to give your life up just because of a differing one, then I must say, your a really weak person. You know better that I would never attack you or kill you if you insult the prophet or even my family, because islam teaches me not to take revenge. have a good one.
They might not come after you physically, but they just might erode the freedom of speech in your country, and that affects everyone.
i wish all these leaders/muslim populus would decry the horrible plight of people in the earthquake ravaged kashmir area are going thru right now. and im sure the prophetic example would be to worry about dying people more than stupid cartoons.
First and foremost, this has nothing to do with the topic. Yes there are some problems regarding womens rights in some countries, but please tell me how that has ANYTHING to do with these damn cartoons? I know of a few Americans who live in Saudi, that hate life back in the good US of A, and prefer to live in the gulf. Does that give me the right to generalize against the whole country as you have just done? There have been many documentaries about womens issues, yes, and when compared to europe and north america, it seems pretty pathetic, but I have no idea why you would even compare the two. Im sure you remember what happend to Karen Hughes when she tried to spread American ideology of how women should be treated to Arab girls. Here this might refresh your memory And again, If you wish to discuss this further, please start a new thread, becuase the topic you are discussing has nothing to do with the current one. And I wont be responding to your posts that arent regarding the subject of the thread.
Right now, I'm most worried about our freedoms at home. The Danes and the French can look after themselves, believe it or not. They've been smacked around a time or three, but they're still contributing to the higher aspects of civilization, as they were before Ben Franklin was born. Keep D&D Civil.
dude, france and denmark have their right to make cartoons that offer satire. we all know that Mohamed didn't wear a turban with a bomb on it in real life. art is immitating life. If a bunch of crazy Jesus people went crazy and starting blowing up people and buildings, then we wouldnt talk about this Mohammed. The stupid christians protest Marlyn Manson concerts, but they don't threaten to kidnap or kill him. if the good muslims made better news than dudes that cover their faces and kill people in the name of God, we'd wouldn't be talk about it. I'm just saying to recognize that there are problems in the culture and that the best people to solve this are muslims. if people start killing people in the name of michael w smith, i'd mention that they have issues too. you know if the crusades happen again, people would call catholics idiots and lunatics, but that happened along time ago. its about what's happening now, and this is what's happening: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/02/gaza.cartoon/index.html The papers reprinting the cartoon were not limited to those published in Europe. The Jordanian tabloid Shihan also published them and urged Muslims to "be reasonable" in an accompanying editorial. The editorial, written by Editor Jihad Momeni -- a former Jordanian senator -- asked: "Who offends Islam more? A foreigner who endeavors to draw the prophet as described by his followers in the world, or a Muslim with an explosive belt who commits suicide in a wedding party in Amman or elsewhere." A spokesman for Shihan said Momeni had been fired.
Actually all these militants and crazed muslims need to take a lesson from the life of the man they are supposedly defending. Even though the lady used to curse him, slander him, and throw trash, crap, animal guts etc etc on him daily, he still went and checked on her to see if she was ok.
As often is the case in the US and elsewhere, people usually rally in a frenzy over "red meat" issues like this, and they trump it up to keep it in the spotlight. BTW, there is a lot of money and aid going to help the Kashmiris and the Pakistanis ravaged by that earthquake, however, I don't think there is the requisite infrastructure to adequately distribute that aid to those who need it -- I am also worried about corruption. But as I said, I think the funds are there from Muslim donors and charities, so not sure if that's a fair rap you give them.
Not sure what your point is...are you saying there are problems in the Middle East? No ****! What's there to argue?
some people here refuse to believe they have issues there. that there's womens rights problems in the middle east. etc. not you. you have issues about juwan howard im not trying to offend anyone and sorry if i do, but you guys know i shoot it straight with you. i tell my vegetarian friends that they need to have a steak ruth chris before they die and i tell my jewish friends that pork is the reason why people in the middle east are f*$% uped. pork taste great and its dumb to forbidden by a religion. the muslims i know, all they want to do is mack on women, so i tell them is that why you came here, cause the chicks wear less? thats the tinman, so no offense tigermission im not trying to tick you off.
LOL! No offense taken, I enjoy reading your posts in the GARM. Oh, and btw, Pork tastes bad, and smells even worse...believe me, I have eaten a pig or two in my lifetime.
Respect for sovereignity is a principle too. Too your argument from an another thread do you suggest we should go to war to force governments to let them publish cartoons that many around the world and in their own country find offensive? Yes I value freedom of the press and freedom of religion but I value mutual respect for sovereignity and I think its as bad of an idea for us to try to be forcing those values on countries that don't respect those as much as it would be for Canada and Germany to try to force us to have socialized medicine since they believe universal healthcare is a principle.
As I, Turn Up The Collar On My Favourite Winter Coat This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind I See The Kids In The Street, With Not Enough To Eat Who Am I, To Be Blind? Pretending Not To See Their Needs A Summer's Disregard, A Broken Bottle Top And A One Man's Soul They Follow Each Other On The Wind Ya' Know 'Cause They Got Nowhere To Go That's Why I Want You To Know I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways And No Message Could Have Been Any Clearer If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place (If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place) Take A Look At Yourself, And Then Make A Change (Take A Look At Yourself, And Then Make A Change) (Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na, Na Nah)
First, war is not the solution to every problem. Of course, I'm a hawk so it might solve a lot of them . Second, if sovereignty is a principle you put a lot of stock in then this should be easy for you since the people of Denmark believe in free press and free speech. Hence, you should be against someone from someplace else telling them what they can do, especially under threat of violence. I guess you have to choose your own value hierarchy. Do you value sovereignty the highest? If so then you'd have a hard time arguing against just about anything going on somewhere else and be stuck with cultural relativism. I suggest that is not a good idea in light of some practices such as cannabalism, human sacrifice, slavery, genital mutilation, genocide, etc. Just because there are places in asia where child prostitution is ok culturally, I am not going to say 'sure, screw an 8 year old. When in Rome...' I don't believe in child prostitution. If you do in your country then we have a problem. I don't believe in gential mutilation. That doesn't mean we should go to war with east africa, but we could support the World Health Organization program to educate at a grassroots level there (which is already going on). Canadians and Germans do, in fact, castigate the US for not having universal healthcare, no? I believe the healthcare system in Canada is an issue of national pride, and they rarely fail to let us know about it. The problem with you analogy is that it falsely asserts a 'war' must happen. A better example would be slavery. While the US was one of the last powers to ban slavery, it got plenty of criticism over it as well it should have. So you see I am not above the US being criticised for a bad practice.
Excommunication: Officially exclude (someone) from participation in the sacraments and services of the Christian Church. That means the Christian who is excommunicated believes they have been destined to Hell for all of eternity. Makes the last days of one's life depressing, and for most devout death is a much better route than Hell. So, effectively, excommunication is worth than death in the eyes of pious Catholics. To me, excommunication is worthless spiritually, but it is terrible still on the person's demeanor.
tiger I havent talked about Islam in a very long time. I was simply making a point relating to the article. People are threatening kidnappings over a cartoon in the name of Islam. You don't think thats seriously just a lil extreme?
