Why are we having orgasm everytime we talk about PJ Brown. So he hold Yao to 12 points and 13 rebounds in one game, big deal! The fact is, I do not see any difference between MO and PJ. PJ is old and has as bad of a contract as MO, let alone these clowns in New Orleans are also asking for a 1st-round pick from us!
PJ avg 9+ rebs this season. He plays defense, he can shoot a medium J. He is a much better fit for us.
at this point i'm conflicted with mo. we've come so far with his horrible contract. a year and a half from now (2 off seasons from now) it turns into an expiring contract (everyone is right, it goes 2 years after this). expiring contracts are worth something usually. right now, we'd have to give to get rid of mo's contract and get anything of value in return. do i wanna give anything significant just to get rid of mo if i could just keep him and let him be a 6th or 7th man and then maybe land me something good for his contract? as for pj brown, i wouldn't trade a 1st rounder for him, much less mo and a 1st rounder. mo and pj are both fairly average players (though pj fits us better) and i'm not trading equal value players with damn near equal contracts and then giving up a first rounder while also getting the older guy. that's crazy. now if cd was just crazy in love with pj and they said give us a second rounder, you can live with that b/c those are complete crapshoots. first rounders where we'll draft are something of a crapshoot but there's also a reasonable chance you'll get an average to above average guy who can contribute significantly (good bench guy, lower-tier starter) for many years. we know what we're getting with pj, an average guy who can contribute for a few years. if i want an averge guy who can contribute for a few years who makes $9M/yr, i'll just keep mo taylor. besides, when stromile doesn't wanna sign with memphis or with us for the MLE, we'll need our 1st rounder and spoon's expiring contract for a sign and trade.
No difference between Mo and P.J.? Their differences are the only reason to do the trade. P.J. could do the Cato role for us and Mo can't. Definitely not worth a first rounder though.
Am I wrong to assume that we don't want to trade MoT in 2 years? Sure his expiring contract will have some value, but we will have to take another contract on to match it correct?
Shawn, I said the same thing.. this year and next year... one year left after this year.. as time progresses, the more appealing he gets in trade value ... stupid move to trade for PJ
Brown gives us 1 year more at best. Teams could be lining up for Spoon this offseason because his wontract will expire in the summer of 2006. This mean at least one of the dead weight contract leaves. Finally, the draft this year will be quite deep and we have an outside chance to land a really good-great PF or PG. I would not like to give up a Bogut or Ike Diogu for a Brown now. I am still hopeful that NJ would want to deal the TE for Motay - a win-win for noth teams.
We get PJ Brown, we're going to the semifinals. PJ Brown can be that much of a difference maker for the Rockets in the playoffs. The guy is a workhorse and you can tell he keeps in great shape and a guy who keeps in that kind of shape won't have much of a drop of from one year to the next, which he hasnt, just look how the guy plays. He is playing like he was when he was on the Heat - same energy, same style, same effectivness. I say F it and give up a first rounder if thats what they want. The only thing is is I don't think they go for it now, because at the time of the previous trade, the Rockets pick had more value cause they we're struggling and the pick had a chance to be higher. now that the rockets have taken off, that pick may not have enough value to them.
Pardon? Then you couldn't 'control the scene'... Having to pay three guaranteed years for a marginal prospect is better than 'stashing' a guy overseas until he is ready to contribute? Atlanta needs all the 1s they can amass as they cannot seem to attract anyone to take their money. Rox can still lure a player with an MLE (as long as JVG isn't in love with another ancient Ward-ier...).
A 1st rounder and MoT for PJ is too much. PJ and NO's 2nd for MoT and Hou 1st, maybe. The market for PJ is not that high because of his age and contract. 2nd rounder, or switching next years 1st/2nd picks, is for sure all I would consider.
The problem is say the 2nd round turns out great (Arenas, Manu, etc), unless you are way under the cap (Houston won't be until Yao or Tmac retires) you won't be able to keep them.
Uh no. Only in very rare circumstances, and this sure isn't one of them. New Orleans is a bad team with a pretty decent cap situation (actually few million under the cap). They can afford the <1 million salary difference for a better prospect. When a team is scraping for cap room (to load up to sign a big free agent or two, a la Orlando with Hill/TMac), that first round allocation is worth getting rid of, usually in exchange for a first round pick. Not so for a team as bad as the Hornets without plans to hit the free agent market. Besides, if you're referring to the Rockets (who don't have a 2nd for a couple years, iirc), you're comparing a mid-late first to a mid-late 2nd, not a mid-late first to a high 2nd. Mid-late 2nds are only good for stashing Euro prospects for a couple years- like we've done with Badiane and Spanoulis. Otherwise, They sometimes don't even make the team, and usually aren't appreciably better than undrafted players (Andre Barrett).
If the Rox draft 16 - 18 in June are they likely to have someone who will see the court for two years? Hornets, like Hawks, Nets, and a few others (?) would do better to keep their first round picks. For various reasons the Rox, Spurs, Wiz, Philly and others are better off getting out of the first and looking to stash their seconds. None of this means the Rox should pkg the #1 + Mo for PJ. But, Mo + #1 for Kurt Thomas? Absolutely (which is why it is not going to be considered) because IT-homas needs 'chips' to trade out of the Knicks' doldrums (like an acquired TE).
I think Kurt Thomas would fit well with this team, but I wouldn't trade Taylor for him. On a talent basis, hell yes. But, if you trade Taylor for Thomas, you are left with two PFs with 4-5 years left on their contracts and are on the wrong side of 30.
My take on this is that PJ for MoTay would be a solid trade for all. NO needs offense, atheletism, and youth... MoTay provides all of that. Houston needs defense and reboundiong, PJB provides that. Now, if we can get PJ to play solid for us this year and throughout the playoffs, we can sign a guy like Swift hopefully this summer. Then, Swift can start, with PJ Brown backing him up at the 4. Also, bring in Malike Badiane from Germany to start playing some back up Center. Hopefully he can learn the ropes and eventually become our primary backup at the 4 & 5 by say around 2007, when our team should be in their prime. Then, at the end of next season, we trade PJB's expiring contract for some young backcourt talent To me, this could work out so incredibly perfect. We will make the smooth transition from ancient, to a nice blend of youth and veteran leadership. I should be a GM teee heeeee
