If they wouldn't trade a 4th for Plummer what makes you think they'd trade (a pick, presumably) for Schaub?
do you actually have an opinion about anything football-related that isn't formed by a reaction to someone else? do you have an opinion about Carr on your own, or is it completely based on what the Texans do with him? do you have an opinion of VY independent of your reaction to other people's reaction to him? or sans kicking someone in the teeth?
They need a first and third rounder for him. http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=120887&sport=nfl
When I first heard this news about Quinn on the radio I wanted to throw up. I hope this doesn't happen and if it does, I hope that I am wrong about the guy. I can't go through this all over again.
Wow a 1st and a 3rd for a guy who really hasn't proven anything other than he is a good backup QB. Don't get me wrong, I like the way he has played in relief of Vick but there have been plenty of instances where backups have come in and played well and faltered when they were actually elevated to the full time starters role. That is a pretty steep price in my opinion. I wouldn't do it.
In regards to if they draft Quinn, who knows what they will do but I know it WILL NOT be to trade up to get him or anyone. They want MORE picks not less. If the Texans and Redskins had a "gentleman's agreement", does anyone honestly believe it would be all over the internet, especially reported by a major media outlet (ESPN)? It would screw up any plan for the deal to go down because another team would trade up above them to get Quinn or whoever else. If I had my guess, it would be that the Cardinals are trying to drum up more interest in their pick at #5. And, why all the pessimism on this board about drafting Quinn? I don't know how he will turn out in the long run. No one does. That is the crap-shoot of the NFL draft. And that goes for VY as well. He had a great "rookie" year and better than a lot of people thought he would. But, one season doesn't make him a hall-of-famer. He still hasn't proven he is an "elite" QB. Will he be? Very well could. Definitely? The jury is still out. It's like everyone sees another white, "pretty boy" QB and assumes he is JUST and will be JUST like Carr. i just don't get it. The guy is highly regarded in NFL circles, has been under the instruction of a great offensive coordinator who has been mentoring him on how to be a great QB in college and in the NFL and will be going to a situation (unlike Carr) where he has a damn good QB coach in Kubiak, a proven, succesfull offensive system, a star reciever and an improved O-line. Whoever they draft at QB is in a MUCH better place to succeed. Besides, it's not like he will be thrown out thier to fail from the start. If they draft Quinn, people should be happy the Texans got their hands on highly-touted player who has all the tools and could potentially be a damn good QB and face of the franchise; not b**** about getting another white dude.
I don't have a problem with them drafting a "white" QB. Last time I checked, most QB's in the NFL are "white" so I hope that other people in this thread have said that and that isn't in reference to my post in particular. For the record, I don't have a problem with a "white" QB, I happen to have a problem with this QB. I don't care about him being under Charlie Weis's tutelage. That doesn't really give me confidence that he will succeed on the next level but I sure hope that it is a step in the right direction. Like I said, I would hope to god that I am wrong if they draft this guy but I look at him and I see a guy with the obvious physical tools who got to throw the ball around a lot and lost a lot of big games against the top competition.
why is everyone thinking that Sage can handle the starting QB job? I couldn't get it in Washington or Miami...I think last year was a fluke, I rather give Carr one last chance. Looks like he's gonna actually have a good OL this year. Thats if we don't draft someone...I'm not big on BQ, but Klob in the 2nd/3rd I would be... I picture him in the same mode as Peyton, being able to audible on the fly and etc....
Yea sorry, wasn't really reference to your post. And I shouldn't have brought anything to do with race in the issue at all. But, it just seems there are people who see a guy like Quinn, see some cosmetic similarities between he and Carr and are scared off by him. I'm by no means pushing for Quinn nor do I have a like or dislike towards him. I would perfectly happy with a Laron landry or some other players. But, if they do indeed draft Quinn, I wouldn't be dissapointed either for many of the things I said in my last post. I actually trust the current regime at bringing in a good, young QB, developing him and turning him into a very good QB. That includes a Stanton, Kolb or any other QB they may get in the draft. The only difference is Quinn clearly has an advantage over the others as a prospect right now as example of him being projected as a sure fire top 5 pick the last 1-2 years.
I just think it's not out of the realm of possibility that with a few moves,we actually contend for the playoffs. A healthy offensive line,an evolving defense that will eventually be dominant(a healthy Mario and a coming out party for TJ),big play guys like Andre,a nice combo running game of Green and Dayne,and a helluva coach in Kubiak. I just don't see us being as far away as many might think.... If we trade down... We can get Schaub for a low first(27-31) and a third. Then use the other first on a corner. Somewhere we get another OL and DL. If we go with Quinn it's definitely going to take longer,but that's not necessarily a bad thing.It just depends on which direction we want to go. All this doesn't even factor in Carr's situation..If we have a line he could produce and we would be able to draft real quality at need positions.It does sound like he will be traded though and that might bring us that second third for the Falcons.
Yeah I trust that if Kubiak really want the guy then there must be a reason why much in the same way that Shanahan really wanted Cutler while some weren't as sold on him. If they believe he is the perfect guy for the system then so be it. It's just that the horrific David Carr memories are still burned into my mind and I just can't take another 5 years of waiting for some young guy to try to prove he is capable of being even a mediocre QB. Does he have the "It"? I haven't seen it but maybe Kubiak has. Also watching Mario Williams play "ok" while so many guys taken after him flourished was hard. I haven't given up on Mario yet but I hope he can come back this year healthy and be what they told us he would be when they dumped him in our laps and told us they knew what they were doing.
What do you think that post was? Carr is not a great QB. But I don't think we need to immediately get rid of him if we do not get something better in return. That is completely stupid idea. I do not get the idea that we absolutely need to get rid of Carr right now, no matter what. It is insane. It is nothing but personal and has VY written all over it. The VY lovers should not try to dictate the moves this team makes. Get off of it already.
Why? It is just mass emotional hysteria and there is no logic involved. I would be fine with Carr and Sage competing for starting QB if we make some other solid moves and picks, and we continue looking for a real upgrade to the QB. I don't see what the problem with that would be at all. If you do have a problem with that, like I said, it is nothing but emotional garbage. It makes me sick.
