Peyton Manning has been in a better situation than any quarterback in the NFL since Troy Aikman. Had David Carr been given all of those things all along, he'd be a really good quarterback, too. Putting Manning behind the Texans' line would be just as disastrous as putting Carr or Quinn back there.
I wonder how many games the Texans would win next season with the ClutchFans BBS'ers running the team?
true story: a lot of those guys on that UT roster were plucked from obscurity; many had never seen a football before, let alone played prior to being shipped to austin. fortunately, vince deemed them all worthy and blessed all of their scattered talents with his winnerness, leadershipiness and intangiblinessly.
this might actually be funny if carr's teamates weren't openly questioning whether he should be here as opposed to the titan's claiming a rookie is the leader of their team. magical powers or not.
I know you're (sort of) kidding, but I honestly think that has a lot to do with it. He kind of looks like Carr, so he MUST be David Carr redux.
You missed the "in college" part of my post. I don't have a like or dislike of Quinn but seems one of the biggest arguments people have against him is that he couldn't win the big game yet another QB, who had the same label in college, is on his way to arguably be the greatest QB to ever play in the NFL.
No one's saying leadership doesn't exist. But there's a difference between claiming someone has good leadership qualities and claiming someone "won" a football game all by himself and "willed" his team to victory.
Just like on Varsity Blues, I take it that VY was on the sidelines with the headset on coaching the defence, while he was finding a cure for cancer.
I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning, Super Bowl Champion coming out of college. It took a lot of years behind great lines and with one of the best receiving cores ever for him to become a great quarterback. Had Peyton Manning come into the league with the expansion Houston Texans and their line or even the 2006 Houston Texans and their line, he would not have been successful. The only QBs that would have been successful are those that are good at running for their lives. You put Quinn on a team with a great line and great receiving core, and maybe one day you can compare him to Peyton Manning. You put him on the Houston Texans without significantly upgrading the offensive line and you'll have to compare him to David Carr.
i'm with you for some of this; manning has certainly been in a favorable situation in indy; but he'd be a great QB regardless where he wound up? all-time, SB winning great? perhaps not. but he's a very good QB.
I think this is what most people who are advocating Quinn don't realize. If there is no O-line in place that resembles a significant upgrade from last year or any year before that then you don't waste the pick on Quinn. And that's exactly what you'll be doing, WASTING a pick, considering the talent that would be available at other positions.
Wow! I hate Manning with a passion but I can't believe how much you two are under-rating the guy. I think he is one of the VERY rare QBs that make his teammates around him much better. He has a great arm and is arguably the greatest QB to ever play in terms of the thinking part of the game. He would have been great no matter where he ended up. A agree with you full-heartedly about Carr's lack of production based on surrounding talent through the beginnings of a expansion franchise but that is the point - Carr needs talent around him for him to excel. Manning has made his surrounding that much more "talented".
how on earth did you guys get on the topic of comparing Manning with Carr? that's like comparing Top Grade Sushi with Long John Silvers.
