I don't see it being a big deal not wanting to give up picks for Quinn but still taking him if he is there. We don't know what it would take to move up. I guess they are assuming it will just be too much. Quinn might just be and 8 pick and nothing more. That said, I'm not feeling it about Quinn. I hope we pick someone else. I have no problem with The Texans going 8-8 with Carr/Sage either.
Castor27, you've let this thread go on for so much, man... obviously the answer to the question is NO. There are always going to be "rumor" threads, but this one's ridiculous.
I completely agree. Most people never heard of Jamarcus Russell till he humiliated a pathetic ND defense on national television. He was never even mentioned once as a Heisman contender. As for Quinn, he'd be walking right back into the same situation if we drafted him except the players are twice as fast and hit twice as hard. Also add in the give or take 50 sacks stat. I sometimes wonder how bad our O-line is. The Titans were supposed to have one of the worst lines in football last year, but VY made them look real good. The Cowboys had a horrible O-line until Romo took over. I think Carr has to take part of the blame. Carr is just completely immobile. Don't let his rushing stats fool you. He has no pocket precense. The one question i ponder, if Carr had been the Bears starting QB all season, what would their record have been?
Mobility and pocket presence are two separate issues. Carr is very mobile, and throws well on the run. He's just stupid, hence the no pocket presence. Your mobility helps you not at all if you don't know when to: --run --stand still --step up in the pocket ...or if you don't know how to: --read the defense
Agreed, no pocket presence for Carr. He can't make those little moves to buy him that critical extra time to make a play. Hence, he hasn't been a playmaker. However, the new Texans line is that Carr is their QB and their starter. Whether that's true or just what they are saying publicly is up for debate.
Carr is their QB, he should not be the starter it should be a competition between him and Sage. I hope they trade Carr but it is looking less likely. As long as they don't draft Brady Quinn in the first round at least they won't be admitting stupidity. If last season you didn't need Vince Young you sure don't need Brady Quinn one year later. Right Mr. McNair?
if it's not just rhetoric...if it really is that they've already made the decision he's the starter...without truly opening it up to let him compete with sage or anyone else for the job...then i find that disappointing.
Lord, I can't believe I'm getting into this thread again! OK, if (according to the theory put forth by some on this bbs) McNair really doesn't want to trade Carr but just wants to make the fans think he does, why would he hand the starting job to Carr without making him compete for it? Wouldn't that piss the fans off even more? The same fans he's trying NOT to piss off by making them think he's trying to trade him when he's really not? Did that make sense? Besides, I dont' think McNair is making the decision on who gets the starting spot. I think that's Kubiak. And I don't think Kubiak is married to the idea of Carr having the potential to be a great QB anymore.
This theory from Ric, that McNair wants to keep Carr but wants to trick the fans into thinking he doesn't, is probably not accurate. I think we need to replace the Ric Theory with a new one, how about this: after the season Kubiak criticized Carr because he was being honest. He was laying out his real feelings, not only to send a message to Carr, but also to the fans to show that he is not an idiot on the QB situation. However, after those comments, the GM realizes this just makes it harder to trader Carr, so now they come out with a new company line and say Carr is the QB and the starter. Sounds more plausible than the Ric Theory.
I don't think McNair wants to do anything but improve the team. The problem is that he doesn't want to make a knee-jerk move. I believe McNair wants to trust Smith and Kubiak but here is the situation- They obviously want to replace Carr if possible with a veteran (preferrably with playoff experience) who they feel would be an improvement so they inquired on Plummer and Jeff Garcia. Neither worked out at least Plummer is retired for now. They also are looking hard at Quinn. They don't have any other viable option. And they know Quinn would be better suited to sit behind Sage for a season and I think they are willing to do that if they could move Carr. Problem is they don't want a 5 or 6 round pick for Carr. Even if they don't move Carr they still might want Quinn if he falls (hopefully they wouldn't trade up) But I hope they aren't sold on Quinn, he has a lot of questions. This puts them in the position of trying to improve the QB position with very limited options. I think they should focus on other areas of need and address QB next season unless they like someone who slides down to say the 4th round. I would try to trade Carr every way possible if there is anyone they would be happy drafting on the second day. They have so many holes they need good solid playmakers/starters drafted on the first day (rounds 1-3) If they could move down 4-8 spots and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick they could draft 4 very good players on day one. If they did that and traded Carr they could come away with 5 first day picks. Based upon how well they draft rounds 2-6 last season that would be ideal.
this sounds more realistic but I can't see them convincing another team that carr is good through these quotes. The other teams know what carr is via scouts, video etc. I don't see a PR campaign by the texans front office impacting a deal too much.
I still think the Texans 1st rd player should be able to play now and produce something. I mean trade carr for a 3rd or 4th then trade one of those 4th rd picks for a kid like Mccown from detroit since they wont give him a chance to start. I actually think Sage could and might be the guy. I really think the Okoye kid and Landry are impact defensive guys. The only thing that would keep me from drafting Landry is if i took Okoye 1st and then in the 2nd rd Merriweather was there. I think the 1st 2 rds should yeild 2 defensive starters.
the problem with your revised theory is that kubiak hasn't really said much this offseason; mcnair and smith have been the ones sounding the "carr is inconsitent and needs to get better" drums. kubiak played that song (often)throughout the season but has been relatively quiet since the cleveland game. real quick - i don't think mcnair is trying to "trick" fans; i think the organization consciously adapted a stern team-wide approach to david carr and went on the offensive to get that message out to fans. i think that was the extent of their "plot." but i also think they were smart enough to recognize that the local paper and majority of local talk shows are populated by brain-damaged r****ds who would blow the story out of proportion and that letting the media and fans draw their own conclusions (they're going to trade carr) wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. in terms of the "interest" in carr that smith reported, i think they generated that themselves for a variety of reasons - to see if there really was a market; to further placate fans; to send a wake-up call to carr... again, they were probably content to let the mongoloids run with it and eventually look bad for doing so. the texans seem a bit put-out with the chronicle right now; at the very least, it's beyond obvious the local writers no longer have an in with the team. justice has now had to completely reverse ship on his proclamation that and has been left to figure things out for himself; a proposition that likely keeps him awake at night since his football knowledge doesn't extend much beyond "a qb must be a leader with heart - hey, look - kittens!" even mcclane seems out of the loop and he's supposed to be the "insider." think they were pissed the chronicle ran a full-page jake plummer spread during the season...? nah, the local teams never read the paper (coughcoughtombstonecoughcough). anyway, so i don't think it was a "trick;" i think they placed info in the mediasphere, had a decent idea how it would be processed, and set back and let it burn.
They aren't paying Sage $8 million. This is all about the Benjamins. It will be Carr for better or worse (sounds like a bad marriage doesn't it?). They may "threaten" him with an open competition for the starting QB spot but in the end the only way Sage will play if Carr gets injured or stinks it up.
that part scares me. the part that money plays in this. because i think you're right. i think if carr is brought back he's the default setting simply because: 1. he has been; and 2. he's being paid too much to ride the bench.
