indy had tarik glenn in place at LT; also they've had the same OL coach since manning's rookie year. (they also had faulk and harrison.) palmer had levi jones and willie anderson as his starting tackles (both all pros and former first rounders), as well as steinbach, who just signed a big FA contract with cleveland. also, same OL coach the entire time. true, re: tennessee and arizona, but then again, both QBs were fairly mediocre last year, statistically, and the OL was certainly a factor (especially in AZ).
yeah, and most rookie QBs struggle behind a bad offensive line - look at troy aikman's first two years. the line was terrible last year; i can't believe this revivionism that's taking place - it lost three opening day starters by week 9!. it was better the third year, you're right - and guess what? it was, far and away, carr's best year; a year in which, for half of it, he was pace for hawaii. probably just a coincidence, though...
it sure didn't look bad against the titans when the only constant all these year was replaced. but I know, teams play differently half to half.
no, you're right; the other 15 games (+ four years) and tennessee's 21-3 3Q lead and 28-10 4Q lead that afternoon were all irrelevant.
Fair enough - I don't know enough about those lines to really comment with any value. It just seems that most highly drafted rookie QB's are going to have mediocre to bad lines initially. Certainly not for 5 years or as ridiculously bad as the Texans' lines were, but if we were to get a rookie QB this year, I don't think he would be unable to develop due to the line. (I don't disagree that this was a major and unique obstacle for Carr because of how ridiculously bad the line was early on).
as much blame as we put on the line (and i realize carr must share in it), my biggest chunk is saved for the coaches, who, for absolutely no good reason, allowed him to stay back there and get abused on a weekly basis. hell, i saw a little klinger in him back in 2003! to this day, i can't fathom what their thinking was. we knew the son of a b**** was tough after game f'ing 2 of the 2002 season; why did he stay out there? i guess this is where i ultimately fall on carr - i'm not biased, per se, but, my god, i've never seen a player so universally abandoned by his own team (save for those who are disliked, etc). i mean, maybe this guy is peyton manning; maybe he's ryan leaf - but they NEVER had a plan to figure it out - they rolled him out there and, i guess, expected him to overcome every and all obstacles... so i guess i find him somewhat endearing as a football player; it'd be nice if the guy could redeem himself.
rightly or wrongly, that's all we have to judge. the fact is I don't know if its all offensive line because carr never gets off the field (to his credit). but I do know that sage also didn't have a problem in the preseason.
against 2nd, 3rd and currently unemployed-string. rosenfels is a career back-up; carr wasn't the first vet to beat him out - he joined an illustrious group highlighted by gus ferrotte, jay fiedler, aj feely... people are absolutely deluding themselves if they think sage rosenfels is any short of even stop-gap answer.
you can't have it both ways, our first stringers are barely nfl players according to you guys, but the second stringers dominate other teams' second stringers?
No, our first-string offense and our second-string defense played decently against other teams second- and third-stringers.
in the rams game, and I just read the recap, it specifically says carr played later with the first stringers against their bench, and he didn't have a particularly good game. sage played with the benched.
did you watch the colt game the second week of the season? did you see carr go dan fouts for the final 30 minutes? and everyone dismissed it - second-teamers; 25-point lead, etc., etc. then sage rosenfels does it (for less than 2Qs) and suddenly he's proof carr is the problem and he should be the starting QB... i mean, it's absurd. he's a career back-up. let's assume carr is washed up and finished at 27, but the 29-year old rosenfels just needed to fail out of the league, play in europe a few seasons, ride the bench for a QB-starved team and viola! he's the guy! i'm sorry... rosenfels will make long for carr. if the texans felt any differently, why were/are they after plummer/garcia/ramsey/quinn/a Qb in rounds 2-4/etc.?
carr is playing with the rest of the first team against second stringers. sage was playing with second stringers against second stringers. but hey go ahead and hang your hat on that. you're right, carr is the bestest.
and...? not exactly sniffing out new territory, here... i did see the ram game, and carr was unspectacular, at best. i even wrote an article afterwards asserting kubiak was ****ed. but coaches tend to evaluate players on a little larger sample size than a single preseason game. usually...
what is the problem with giving a sage a chance to compete? he hasn't done anything not to be given a chance.
