hey, you know what might be fun? well, fun for me, not you -- let's count up how many big east QBs have led their teams to the super bowl the past... let's say... 5 years. uhm... let's see... is northern iowa in the big east? no. mcnesse state? no. southern miss? no. hmmm.. i count zero; let's see... 1,2,3, yep, zero. funny... over that same span, in addition to powerhouses like the aforementioned norther iowa, et al, it seems little ol' fresno state has a super bowl champion alum... ironic, isn't it? so, yeah, GREAT, and i do mean G-R-E-A-T, point. big east QBs are obviously going to make better pros. the truth is, college competition is rarely, if ever, even a small factor in a QB's pro success. if it were, heath shuler would be a star; cade mcnown would be a star; rick mirer would be a star.... it's a long and distinguished list (so's my johnson).
I tried to just stay out of this, but this statement is the biggest load of **** I've ever seen. Find me one link to back this up. Yes, you have missed it. Atlanta's coaches have done nothing but praise Vick's leadership in the huddle and understanding of the playbook. He spent a ton of the off-season in the film room with Jack Burns(our qb coach) studying defensive sets and mastering the playbook.
hey, you know what might be fun? well, fun for me, not you -- let's count up how many big east QBs have led their teams to the super bowl the past... let's say... 5 years. uhm... let's see... is northern iowa in the big east? no. mcnesse state? no. southern miss? no. hmmm.. i count zero; let's see... 1,2,3, yep, zero. funny... This is a revolting pile of ****. QBs can't will a team past another team that clearly has more talent. Well, Big East QB #1 almost did it last year, and Big East QB #2 almost did it against the Packers this past week. Big Ten Brady succeeded in what Big East QB #1 couldn't do. You fail to realize we are discussing QB talent, not team talent. (I brought team talent in to show a QB shouldn't be judged upon wins because it's a total different situation) the truth is, college competition is rarely, if ever, even a small factor in a QB's pro success. if it were, heath shuler would be a star; cade mcnown would be a star; rick mirer would be a star.... it's a long and distinguished list And the truth is, Michael Vick has much more talent than any of those players. And probably just as much as any QB you can name in the history of the NFL. Give him what "McNeese State, Southern Miss, Fresno State, and especially Northern Iowa" have...and it won't even be a contest.
After their respective performances today, is there really any question to at least who is further along at this point? Vick did more against one of the best defenses in the league, while Carr (and the entire Texan squad) struggled. Of course, that's no indication for the future...but right now, Vick's a good distance ahead of Carr.
Well, Carr throwing under intense pressure and only under situations where the defense expected a pass isn't exactly a fair way to judge his progress. If you give Vick the Texans offensive line, and the playcalling they've had today, I seriously doubt he does any better.
If you think Vick has a good o-line or that Dan Reeves isn't as conservative, if not more, than Capers you are very mistaken. Fact is Vick's talents allow him to be successful in SPITE of things like having a crap offensive line, where on the other hand Carr NEEDS a good line to be successful.
Atlanta's offensive line, while it may not be "good", is light years ahead of Houston. Houston's line right now may be the worst in NFL history... there's not even a comparison to what Atlanta has. Vick had adequate time to throw today against one of the best defenses in the league. Also, I repeatedly saw him throwing on first and 10 situations. In this game, Carr has gotten to do that twice.
Isn't Houston 1-1 and Atlanta 0-2. Yeah, Vick is so much further ahead it blows me away. Please. So what if Carr had a bad day. Carr also lit up a Dallas defense considered to be one of the best. And he beat them. Vick didn't even win his game. To say Vick is better than Carr is ridiculous. He may be one day, but right now the guy is 0-2 in his second season with a veteran team.
Veteran team? Since it is obvious how little you know about Atlanta I will not give your post much thought, however I will ask you a question. Since Carr being 1-1 makes him better than Vick who is 0-2, than surely you must think that Rodney Peete (2-0) is better than Carr, right?
Geez, I have to agree with NYK on this, You guys are like the Spurs with Tony Parker. I know David Carr is already the best QB in nfl history in your minds, but he isn't Jesus yet.
Geez, we think a player might be better than Michael Vick and that equates to us thinking of him as the best QB in nfl history?
The Falcons, a veteran team? They've essentially just entered the latter stages of rebuilding with younger talent, letting msot of their veterans go! And let's look at who each team played... Texas: Dallas, San Diego Atlanta: Green Bay, Chicago Atlanta has faced two of the best defenses (and teams) in all of football, while Texas' schedule and defenses faced pales in comparison. Equating your statement to another would be like saying that because his team has a lower record than the Lakers or the Celtics, Steve Francis isn't as good of a point guard/floor general as Derek Fisher or Kenny Anderson.
Who's talking about Rodney Peete? You must have thrown that into the equation to make yourself look good. The statement made in here were that Vick was much better than Carr. That's just not true. Carr has shown just as much of an ability to lead his team to victory as Vick has. If not more. What has Vick done that Carr has not? I've never claimed Carr was better. But Vick hasn't shown anything yet and may be lucky to throw for the 14,000 yards that Rodney Peete has.
Altanta's team has been together a whole lot longer than Houston's. I think by comparison, which is what we are doing here aren't we, that would make Atlanta a veteran team. Who wouldn't agree with that? you are taking everything way out of context. The comparison here is between Vick and Carr. Not the NFL.
But Vick hasn't shown anything yet and may be lucky to throw for the 14,000 yards that Rodney Peete has. Shut your mouth right now.
And all he simply did was make the same argument you did, except he changed it around to make Peete look better than Carr as you did with Carr vs. Vick. Not in college, as Carr's Fresno State team couldn't match what Vick did with Virginia Tech, taking them all the way to the national title game. Not in the NFL, unless you want to include a win against the hapless Cowboys from last week and forget about Vick's play lsat year. I'm guessing you haven't watched much of Vick play, and that's fine. He'll get the chance to show the entire nation next week on national TV, as the Falcons play a team at about the same level as the Cowboys are - the Bengals.
Neevr claimed that Carr was better, huh? What did you mean by this statement then? By the way, I didn't throw Peete in to make myself look good, I did it to make you look bad. There is a big difference.
Who in the hell played at McNeese State that led his team to the Super Bowl?? Steve McNair?? Ummm, wrong answer. McNair played at Alcorn State. So, who was this QB from McNeese State then?
BTW - I know you guys are homers and everything, but how about letting David Carr play a full season before proclaiming him to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, mmmmkay?
