Who cares? They're both gonna be studs, and we're lucky to have one of them. 2 different styles, but both very exciting to watch. I'd pick Vick, because he's just a freak and I don't know how good he can get, but that's not say Carr couldn't be one of the elite as well.
Last week, Madden said that Carr is one of the best young QB's he has EVER seen. Lets just be glad that we have him.
Not to single you out mfclark...but all I keep hearing about is Vick's mobility. Joe Montana and John Elway weren't the most mobile of guys...but I'd take either over Vick in a second. Will Carr be like Montana and Elway? I don't know. But I say this to say that mobility does not a winning QB make.
Comparing Carr and Vick is one thing... Both are relatively young guys with limited NFL experience... Thus to differentiate, saying one is mobile is a valid distinguishing point between the two. But to compare Elway/Montana, seasoned champion NFL vets to Vick is something totally different. That's not a fair comparison at all. Now if you're talking about Elway and Montana in their rookie seasons, back in the early 1980s, than I can understand your comparison. Unfortunately I wasn't old enough to analyze football during that time period, so I'd have no opinion.
I went out of my way to say that I wasn't comparing them. I used them to illustrate the basic premise that some of the most prolific and legendary QBs in NFL history had limited to no mobility.
Points are being made about how Vick is so mobile compared to Carr. One thing that is being overlooked is Carr's mobility. Its not like this guy only sits in the pocket and has no ability to avoid a pass rush. This kid is a lot quicker than he is getting credit for. Ask Michael Strahan what he thinks about Carr's quickness.
From watching them play Vick reminds me of Randall Cunningham and Carr reminds me of a stronger armed Troy Aikman.
So are you saying that 10 years from now Carr will be winning Super Bowls and Vick will be cutting marble in Las Vegas?
You are right - mobility does not make a winning QB. But, it can certainly help. Vick has shown the ability to sit in the pocket and make some nice throws; he suffered a couple of the same dropped passes vs. Green Bay that Carr did with Jermaine Lewis vs. Dallas. Per the analysts on the GB-Atl game, most coaches and players they've spoken with are more afraid of Vick's arm than of his mobility, a scary thought. Dan Reeves himself, though, thinks Vick's arm is slightly below Elway's. Where mobility comes in is when the defense collpases the protection and starts to come after the quarterback. The ability to get out of the pocket and either run for a gain or make a quick decision on the run to find a receiver only makes a good QB even better. That's the trend in the NFL these days, and many quarterbacks have been successful because of it - McNabb, Culpepper, Brooks, and Garcia to name a few - while the pocket passer has been deemphasized as of late. That's not to say that Carr won't be a great QB. What it does mean, though, is that Vick has more natural tools that he can use and develop to become a more complete player, one who is great all-around as a quarterback. That's why I think he has the higher upside and is better as a franchise QB.
I just read a statement by Merril Hoge on ESPN. Just wanted to put it out there for those saying that Vick's arm is stronger than Carr's. Hoge's statement is regarding the Texans vs. Chargers game. Thats a big claim, but it does show the cannon that Carr possesses.
ehhhh.... cunningham, maybe, but aikman? carr is much more athletic, has a much better arm and doesn't need a perfect pocket, perfect pass route, etc. in order to succeed. not saying he's even close to his level, but if carr looks like anyone, it's favre. that's been the most common comparison going back at least two years.
Hey I said a stronger armed Aikman! Favre is big on improvisation and throwing on the run and I haven't really seen that from Carr here in Houston. Maybe he celebrates like Favre on the field but Favre just seems like more of a gunslinger than Carr does even if their arms are similar. Either way it's pretty good company.
Actually, he made a point of saying, "I'm not saying he's as good as Montana", I think he said that twice. He just said that Brady's style reminded him of Joe.
I watched several of Fresno's games last year & saw quite a bit of Favre-esque improv from Carr. I think that's a great comparison, if you must compare Carr to anyone.
"One disadvantage to Vick is that he is a lefty. The WR's will not be accustomed to catching his ball" Look at who has caught the most NFL catches in the past 6 years. This is a pointless discussion. Its at a site with mainly Texans supporters. Most of the "decisions" will be out of plain Texans-lovin. That being said, I would take Vick in a heartbeat because of pure skills and he played at Virginia Tech.
Er, Refman, if Elway was so immobile as you say, how do you explain these stats: Ranks Fourth among QBs for Rushing Yards: 1. R. Cunningham 4,741 2. S. Young 4,182 3. Tarkenton 3,674 4. Elway 3,407 Only Player to Pass for 3,000 Yards and Rush for 200 Yards in the Same Season for 7 Straight Seasons (1985-91)—NO OTHER PLAYER HAS MORE THAN 4 STRAIGHT Pass for 3,000 Yards and Rush for 200 Yards in the Same Season TOTAL: 10 (1985-91; 94, 96, 97) Ranks Third All-Time in TDs with 334: 300 Passing 33 Rushing 1 Receiving One of Only 2 Players (Fran Tarkenton) All-Time to Rush for 3,000 Yards and Pass for 40,000 Yards in a Career Yup, sure sounds like he couldn't move to me.
