btw, i should add - i'm very nearly sold completely on VY as a football player; i'm not discrediting him AT ALL. that i don't think he's "magical" doesn't mean i'm not thoroughly impressed. sunday made me sick to my stomach. i hated being a texan fan for that three+ hour stretch. in fact, VY has convinced me that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss troy smith next april... of all the QBs coming out, he's the only guy posting big numbers in big wins......
I think what Ric is saying is that VY (or any QB) can't win without talent around him. You can talk about him raising the level of play of his teammates, but if you surround VY with suckiness he will still lose. That's why it's been hard to evaluate Carr. He hasn't had much around him so it's hard to tell if he's really that bad.
Actually, I think what Ric is saying is that, in spite of the fact that he seems to have been proven incredibly, indisputably wrong, he's still technically right.
when did the titans become such a good team, that's where this argument falls. we know his teamates sucked, they didn't win a game before he played. some people thought they were worse than the texans.
They had a RB and a WR who have put up good numbers before. Not to mention their defense has played a big part in their resurgance. But how is it that VY needed OT to beat the lowly Texans?
oh please, one stat, 0-4 before vince young. so what they need overtime, they also have won 4 in a row. I'm sorry the win wasn't up to your standards. these arguments get more and more ridiculous by the post count.
people seem to forget, the titans drafted third, so they were pretty much starting off where the texans started, and even with all the b****ing, the texans had a pretty good overall draft. at one point daniels was leading tightends in touchdown passes, till his qb stopped throwing them.
But their runninggame and defense have been pretty darn good lately. It's Vince playing great along with other players. I'm not taking credit away from Vince. I'm somewhere in the middle. I think you can make your teammates better, but those teammates still have to be talented and raise their own level of play.
The TD drought also coincided with 3 starting offensive linemen getting injured for the year. Just sayin'. I still think we should bring in other QBs next year.
NFL Total Defense, as of today: 32. Tennesseee Titans NFL Scoring Defense, as of today: 27. Tennessee Titans
they have one of the best coaches in football; a former pro bowl RB who's on a 1,363 yard pace (which would be more than ALL texan RBs AND WRs COMBINED); a WR who went for 80/1,247/15.6/11 just two years ago and a center who, by his lonesome, has more pro bowls (6) than the entire texan roster. and they have a dangerous playmaker in pacman jones who, i know for a fact, impacted the outcome of two games very nearly all by his lonesome. and they added the third best player [by draft position] to their team. they're a better team than the texans. they were last year [when they swept us] and they are this year, too.
Defensive TO's on Sunday: 0 (-2 for the game) Defensive TO's last 7 games: 16 Even if the titans averaged the 2.29 they have during the last stretch for all 13 games, they still aren't the 1985 bears. In fact they're well behind the 2006 Bears (40 takeaways), and tied with Arizona (also sporting a highly touted rookie QB) for 4th in the league in that category with 28. Turnover margin doesn't seem to have helped them all that much. Besides - the argument is that VY has inspired the whole team to play better, either directly or indirectly. How does citing improved play that coincides with his being handed the reins undercut this?
Its the chicken and the egg, or a coincidence. Either VY has inspired their D to play up to their capabilities (something I have a hard time believing), or their improved D (TO wise) has just happened to coincide with VY improving his own play. The Texans D has improved since the first few games also. Does Carr get credit for inspiring them with his play or have they just improved on their own?
Well nobody on the Texans defense has said that they were playing better because of Carr, whereas the Titans defenders lobbied for Vince to start before he was even starting and have testified to his abilities (surviving a major personnel loss with Haynesworth's suspension coming right when Vince took over) - so I'm more inclined to believe it in th Tennesee case than the Texans case.
Said running back sucked for a year and a half (thus the need to draft Lendale White) and suddenly became good again the day Vince Young started. I don't think that's the line of argument you want to use. Same with the defense. It sucked for a year and a half and magically became good when Vince Young started? Perhaps because the team around him sucks worse than the Texans?
Strange how all the players who've played with him (at different levels) and all the coaches who've coached him say otherwise.
Pshhh. Whatever. Like I'm going to trust someone who's actually played football over someone posting on an internet message board. Fat Chance.
TITANS BEFORE VINCE avg Less that 70 yds a game After VINCE - I think over a 100 [seen it on a website. . need to check it though] The TEXANS are more Talented than the TITANS While recently the O-line for the Texans took a hit The O-line for the Titans ain't no great shakes [didn't one of their line men get his 1st start sunday?] Texans have better Receivers Texans have a HECK of a Defense too .. . Demeco!!! Biggest Wins for the Titans are. . QB and HEAD COACH Rocket River
