He's going to have to improve his passing, even if he is a good leader. People want to give him credit for this win, but if he deserves credit then who deserves the blame for all their losses? VY doesn't, but he didn't win this game either.
He sure looked good on that TD run when things broke down. He is a ROOKIE QB....he will get better, but his confidence and leadership are off the charts, he will win his fair share as he is growing as a QB, whereas others would lose until they become a good QB. DD
Leadership can make a quarterback or the lack of leadership can sink a quarterback. This is the one physically unmeasurable trait that Vince Young has in abundance. You cannot underestimate the importance of it and the positive influence that this one single trait has on the whole team. Next Sunday will be the tell all for Carr, at least for the time being. If the offense comes out flat with him starting, it should be obvious that there is a leadership problem. Sage does nothing better physically than David. I'm not even sure he can read defenses as well. But if Sage has the player's confidence and David doesn't, it will show up on the field. Now, mind you, there is no way that we can put the whole loss on Carr yesterday. He wasn't playing special teams when Pac Man got loose. And he didn't drop those passes that AJ should have caught. AJ even let Sage's first pass bounce off his shoulder pads. So, while he made some tremendous plays, he made some horrible ones too. But the bottom line is, if you as the coach, the manager, the quarterback are supposed to be the leader and the players turn you ooff, then you are otherwise finished. You either get them back or get out because if you don't have their respect then they will not follow you and game is over, hit and sunk. If......Carr is Kubiak's qb, and I believe he is, then Kubiak and Carr will have to do whatever is necessary to gain back the confidence of the team. Otherwise, if Carr can't do it, then Kubes risks them losing confidence in him as the coach if he continues to run David out there. While I have given up on the idea of Carr being a great leader, I still think he can be adequate, similar to a Drew Brees type. Brees has been a pretty decent/not great leader. But the ball is in his court on how he responds to things. It's more than just words. Guys in win and lose life and death situations are x-raying his innards. He can apologize all day long, say all the right things. It's not about what he says. It's about what they see when they x-ray him. If the team gets off to a bad start this next game, I would sit him down for the present future and let Sage play, either until Sage gets injured or otherwise becomes ineffective. Sometimes you've got to prove things one way or the other. If the team continues to respond to Sage positively, then you've got to stick with him. I still think we should have drafted Vince because of these intangibles. VY is the black John Elway.
Yes he looked good on that run and honestly that was about it. Im very unbiased when it comes to this discussion even though i am a texans fan. He look horrible on passing downs. There is a reason they run the ball as much as they do. He is not accurate at all on his passes and that has to definetly improve over time or he is just going to be a running QB. There were a few plays when the Texans blitzed him VY made the right read and passed to the open guy but only to over throw him by 8 -10 yards sometimes. That wasn't once but that was a few times during the game. He might be good but he hasn't shown me anything yet to be considered a great QB. In all the games i have watched this season he hasn't shown me much as a QB. The Titans running game is what's keeping them afloat in any game. Not VY's passing. And i have watched every game they have played this season.
I don't have any arguments with that, his passing has been below par, but that will come as he gets comfortable with knowing where the receievers are going to be and who should be open against certain types of defenses....things Rookies don't usually get. DD
Can you name a rookie QB that *did* look good 4 games into his career? And consider that everyone knew from day #1 that Vince had a longer learning curve, I'm not sure why any of that is surprising. Of course he has to get better as a passer - that's a no-brainer. No one is saying he is great now - just that he has shown the various intangibles that you need to be great. And given his history of improvement at UT, people who have followed him for a long time expect that he will improve by leaps and bounds. When he was drafted, most people didn't expect him to even start a game until next year.
i couldn't disagree more. the pass he threw to the receiver that was called out of bounds that was clearly in bounds was a terrific pass. he hit his guys in stride plenty of times. threw a TD and ran for one. he didn't WIN the game for the titans by any measure. but he sure didn't lose it for them, either. he didn't make mistakes that look like rookie mistakes. meanwhile, the 4.5 year vet on the other side of the field.......
My post says nothing of Reggie Bush -- I could care less what Reggie did yesterday. Please comment on the fact that Carr was pulled in the biggest game of the year because of his utter incompetence. Then explain how his backup (Sage) looked like Joe Montana in the same offense. I await your reply.
I'm not defending Carr. He was horrible and I'm glad he was pulled. Sage was good, best QB on the field yesterday.
There was one angle that clearly showed that when Bennett's first foot was down, the ball was between his hands and his body. Of course, they only showed it once and kept showing the angle from the sidelines where you couldn't see that.
Maybe the most profound thing said in this whole thread. Carr was HORRIBLE on Sunday. I'm not going to defend that abortion of a 1st half. No excuses. If you're going to take a sack, HOLD ONTO THE DAMN BALL, especially on 3rd and long with less than a minute in the half! Christ!! IMO this Sunday is the most important game of Carr's NFL career. It will be interesting to see how he responds to the adversity of getting benched the week before. He can either get pissed and play his ass off, or get pissed and play like crap. If it's the latter, I'm all for cutting bait and moving on. By "moving on" I mean bring in a FA next year, not drafting a QB in the 1st round and starting all over again.
That's EXACTLY how I saw it. That's what troubles me more than anything: VY went into that game determined to win against the Texans because they were his hometown team who passed on him in the draft. He looked cool, calm and in control and while his stats weren't NFL great, he was effective at embarrassing Kubiak & McNair. And he definitely outclassed Carr who picked the wrong day to channel Drew Bledsoe. For chrissakes, Tennessee was a 1 win team before yesterday. This was a winnable game especially against the hated Bud Adams' Titans and he basically flamed out and did not make any plays (unless you count his fumble that led to 7 points which was the difference in the game). I'm not blaming him for the loss because he had plenty of help and company there - what I'm blaming him for is his continued inability to take command of this team's offense and lead. This is something fans have been waiting for 4 1/2 years and Carr's time may have run out in Houston. There was a lot of symbolic issues at stake yesterday that he could have addressed and laid to rest once and for all. Instead, he gets his butt benched and we are left with more questions than ever about him and his future here in Houston. If he can't be counted on to rise to the occasion for a statement game like yesterday's then I have to question whether or not he will ever be able to do so particularly in a win or go home playoff situation.
gotta try and move carr if theres anything available now or during the offseason. Sage looked good in there, it was nice to see an actual NFL offense. Carr just isn't going to work unfortunately. Lets end his time and move on, not waste more time with him. I do think he can have some success somewhere else, just not going to work with the Texans unfortunately. I'd prefer a free agent veteran QB and build the rest of the positions up. then have someone sit and learn for a season or two. Now that Casserly's dumbass is gone we will probably have some good drafts.
dick justice, DD? really? that's the best you can do? because that douchetard's played organized sports?... tell me, DD, since we're ignoring pesky annoynaces like "stats," what, exactly, did vy do yesterday that inspired his teammates to be better; to actually played beyond their physical and mental abilities? was it his faggy celebrtation dances? the fact he almost made a lot of plays? and stop if your response includes anything about a "W." the titans won yesterday IN SPITE of vy, who was, by any standard, horrible.
Trade him to Dallas. . . then again . . after our last trade with them they may not loke us too too much [Did that QB even see the field for them?] Rocket RIver
