DD's right: vy does make players around him better better. don't believe me? here are actual fake quotes by titan players from yesterday's post game locker room: “Last year, I would have just fallen on the football,” Tony Brown said of his touchdown rumble after recovering a David Carr fumble. “But then I remembered Vince Young contiually one-hops throws and misses receivers by some 8-10 yards, so I figured I better make a play while I had a chance.” Pacman Jones, who returned a punt for a touchdown, was equally inspired by Young’s presence. “I thought about maybe fair catching the punt, but what good would that do when 8 of our 10 drives ended in a punt,” Jones said before shanking a reporter. Fans, too, were caught up in Young's inate abilities. “I had no idea when to cheer, but then I saw Vince cheering on all the other players that were actually making plays, and it was like a light went on over my head,” Titan fan Billy Ray Joe Joe Rubinksi said from his jail cell after police caught him raping his sister in the parking lot.
Sage needs to be the starting QB for the Texans. Sage is calm in the pocket, he moves away from the oncoming rushers buying more time, then he throws the ball where only Texan receivers can catch the ball, and he looks like a leader on the field. If Sage had started Texans win that game easily.
Carr vs. Vince Carr pulled from the game after one terrible half. Vince leads his team to victory. ______ If Kubiak has any sense he will start Sage who looked awesome filling in for the bumbling Carr.
Yeah yeah, I know you don't buy into players making others perform better, clearly you have never played organized sports. Or at least you have never been an inspirational leader. There are inspirational leaders in every sport, and to have one at the most important position on the field is invaluable. But, bury your head in the sand, ignore the FACT that some players inspire others to play harder.....oh, did you read the Houston Chronicle today? But, but...but.....that can't be right......right? Vince has it, David doesn't --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince has it. David doesn't. Quarterbacks can't be evaluated solely by the strength of their arms. They can't be evaluated by their footwork or intelligence or toughness, either. Quarterbacks must always be measured by some things that can't be measured. Like their leadership skills. And their will to win. It's these intangibles that made Vince Young special. Any NFL team that had bothered to ask the players and coaches at the University of Texas would have understood. Vince Young wasn't special because he was a great runner and thrower. He is a great runner and thrower, but what made him special were things you'd know about only if you'd coached him or played with him. If an organization is going to get hung up on his arm angle or how quickly he can finish a crossword puzzle, that organization isn't going to understand why Vince Young should have been the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. (I swore to myself months ago I wasn't going to touch this debate again. I got so sick of hearing about Vince and Mario and Reggie. With the benching of David Carr, I can't help myself. I'm right back in the soup.) We may never know all that Gary Kubiak knew when he decided to stick with David Carr. I'd bet my Corolla that he didn't hear the negatives from Charley Casserly, who seemed more interested in defending his past decisions than in doing what was right for his football team. I'll bet Charley told Gary that Carr would be a better NFL quarterback than Vince Young. Kubiak could evaluate what he saw on film, but there's no way he could make a judgement on Carr's intangibles without getting an honest unvarnished assessment. He couldn't get that from Casserly. He didn't have a player with enough credibility to offer that kind of opinion. One game is a small sampling. One game doesn't mean Vince Young is better than David Carr or anything of that sort. One game--Sunday's game--offered a snaphot into why Vince Young is special and David Carr isn't. Vince Young was gong to win this game. This was against his hometown team. He wasn't going to be denied. The Longhorns had seen Vince in this frame of mind dozens of times. They could have told you how this was going to go. This was one of those days when the quarterback has to will himself to be as good as the opposing quarterback. This is the kind of challenge Vince Young loves. On this day at least, David Carr shrunk from the challenge. Some posters have pointed to Vince's stats. They've said they're nothing special. They've said he looked raw. Sure, he looks raw. He's in his first year. There's a legitimate debate on how good he'll be in the NFL. Talent evaluators like Charley Casserly focus on the process more than the result. Last spring when I heard Texan officials talking about how Vince might not be able to play under center, I knew it was a dead issue. Not taking the best player in college football because of that single issue tells you a lot about the franchise. What's not open for debate is his heart and the fact that on this one day he was going to do what needed to be done to win. This heart is what the Texans could have had. Carr's mistakes got him pulled from a game for the first time. No matter what Kubiak says now, something has permanently changed between Carr and the Texans. Once that line has been crossed, once a quarterback has been pulled, nothing will ever be the same. That he was pulled on the day Vince Young was the opposing quarterback only made last spring's decision look that much worse. Carr has teased us at times. He has looked like The Guy at times. He has done it only in flashes. At various times, many of us have said, "Yep, this is the game that puts him on the fast track to stardom.'' Like last week. And then he has a game like this and you're forced to look at the entire body of his work. Maybe he'll be a functional NFL quarterback someday. He's never going to be a franchise quarterback. He's never going to be the guy around which a franchise is built. This is a make-or-break season for David Carr. The Texans used their first draft pick ever on him, then almost guaranteed he would fail by how they coached him and protected him and surrounded him with sub-par talent. Until this season, it was impossible to make a legitimate evaluation of David Carr. Kubiak has given him a chance. If Kubiak can't make David Carr a winning NFL quarterback, it's likely no one ever will. It'll be a tough, unhappy week at Reliant Park. It will be a week when they'll be reminded again and again that Kubiak blew his first critical decision.. --------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, nothing to this leadership and inspirational play, Ric...... DD
LOL - Reggie is a situational player...Drew Brees is the leader of that team...and if he were on the Texan's we would not be complaining about not drafting Vince. DD
Who do you consider the leader of the Titans? If you asked the Titans' players, who do you think they'd consider to be their leader?
Maybe they don't have one. Not every team needs to have one guy who is "the leader." Who is the leader for the Rockets?
Yeah DaDa, You're right on this one! VY in four games in the NFL has shown more poise and pocket presence than DC ever has in his entire career. Not to mention shades of his UT "iron jawed will." IMO, Carr is going to have to fight like mad this week to keep his job and not ride the bench. Maybe, this gets Carr's attention and maybe this crazy thought process is just that A CRAZY THOUGHT! Right now, best case scenario, I think Kuby gives Carr 2-3 possessions vs the G-Men at best to produce results or else Sage will be in and we can all start writing Carr's obituary column. Man, Sage showed some mad poise and pocket presence. It seemed like he was clicking out there better than perhaps DC ever has! We'll see ... ought to be an INTERESTING week at Camp Kuby.
Tracy and Yao. Every team has a leader or leaders. They may not be good, but there a few people who become the team's leader(s).
By the way, at least a few Titans disagree with you: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801340.html "He's just a natural leader," Titans receiver Drew Bennett said. "Guys listen to him and look up to him. He knows how to deal with everybody, and hopefully that adds to his prowess as a quarterback."
Same with his O-Coordinator: Chow likes his work ethic and discipline while working with Young on footwork and vision in the pocket. "He brings a tremendous amount of charisma and leadership. He has a very positive attitude and a very confident attitude," Chow said. "I think he has all of that, and those things are critical for a quarterback."
Considering that all his teammates, even the veteran ones, have repeatedly complimented his leadership ability since the first day of training camp, that's a pretty tough case to make.
