LOL Remember when Big Dawg Glenn Robinson signed for $100 million dollar as a first round draft pick?
Landry wouldn't be asking for such as high price if we handled his contract in a normal way. We may have to pay for our earlier blunder. As whether, he'll get so much money, I do hope no team will offer it otherwise we'll have to pay. If we can't afford him and wanted to trade him, who do you think we will get that carry the team on is back when we are losing during clutch time, who has such amazing efficiency, who can energize team mates, who can rebound and pick up the slack to score 20+ pts and if the other team is willing to trade that player for him.
You simply don't trade a player like Landry who is generating PER numbers like him. Our luck and Morey's skill got us a diamond in the rough. Nobody could have predicted that Landry would be the player that he is. Hollinger's PER stats are a pretty decent evaluation of a player's efficiency providing he's gotten enough minutes. I take issue with Mahinmi's stats and definately Jerome James stats because they haven't actually had enough minutes to make their astronomical PER numbers meaningful. However, at least with Mahinmi, the Spurs have a good young rookie with huge upside and you can bet that they aren't going to trade him anytime soon. I also take issue with Marcin Gortat at number 29 PER because he's hasn't played in hardly any games nor gained significant minutes. Landry, however has certainly played plenty of minutes. His PER is right up there at number 20. Only Yao Ming is more efficient than Landry. T-Mac is way down on the PER stats at number 51 but was projected before the season started to have a plus 22 PER stat. Imagine if we can have three players putting up PER numbers over 20? We have had some discussion of Calderon and TJ Ford at PG position. I have highlighted them below at number 28 and number 30. Certainly they are both very efficient players and would have an immediate effect on the Rockets. Calderon has a PER of 20.5 and Ford 20.4. Alston by contrast only has a PER of 13.3. Here's the rest of the Rockets PER's Battier - 11.69 Scola - 16.18 Yao - 22.61 T-Mac - 18.5 Landry - 21.56 Hayes - 11.26 Brooks - 13.06 Novak - 17.20 Francis - 9.05 Head -13.68 B. Jackson - 13.57 Mutumbo - 14.51 L. Woods - 14.33 I will admit to being suprised at Novak's efficiency. Perhaps he will develop into a good NBA player. Francis's efficiency is way down for obvious reasons and he only having played in 10 games last year. If you went only by PER you'd play your top 5 guys Novak, Landry, T-Mac, Yao, Scola. Now that would be interesting as a 5 man unit. I'd actually like to see these 5 players out there next year as an experiment. Other things like defense keeps coming into play too and Battier brings a lot to the table doing the little things it takes to win games. Hollinger Player Projections J. James #1 Jerome James 2007-08 Current PER: 45.41 League Average Comparison: +30.41 Projected PER: 0 2006-07 PER: 5.16 Big Macs: $7.64. French Fries: $1.83. Slurpee: $4.29. Getting paid $30 million on the basis of four good playoff games: Priceless. James remains the shining symbol of the waste and ... Complete Profile I. Mahinmi #2 Ian Mahinmi 2007-08 Current PER: 35.38 League Average Comparison: +20.38 Projected PER: 0 San Antonio's first-round pick in 2005 surprisingly got the call to come over from Europe this year. His translated Player Efficiency Ratio from last season is only 7.85, so we're ... Complete Profile #3 LeBron James 2007-08 Current PER: 29.23 League Average Comparison: +14.23 Projected PER: 26.76 2006-07 PER: 24.56 James had a largely disappointing regular season, one that was completely forgotten in the playoffs when he had one of the great Thanks-Guys-I'll-Take-It-From-Here moments in sports ... Complete Profile C. Paul #4 Chris Paul 2007-08 Current PER: 28.39 League Average Comparison: +13.39 Projected PER: 24.67 2006-07 PER: 22 When on the court, Paul was just as effective in Year 2 as he was during his breakout rookie season, but injuries limited him to 64 games and quite possibly kept the Hornets from ... Complete Profile #5 Amare Stoudemire 2007-08 Current PER: 27.61 League Average Comparison: +12.61 Projected PER: 23.73 2006-07 PER: 23.15 He fought microfracture surgery and won. Stoudemire's return got off to a slow start; he seemed out of sync at the start of the season and wasn't even in the right zip code on defense. ... Complete Profile #6 Kevin Garnett 2007-08 Current PER: 25.3 League Average Comparison: +10.3 Projected PER: 24.1 2006-07 PER: 24.2 By the standards of any other player, Garnett had a great year. By his own lofty standards, however, it was a bit disappointing. Garnett still posted the eighth-best Player Efficiency ... Complete Profile #7 Dirk Nowitzki 2007-08 Current PER: 24.66 League Average Comparison: +9.66 Projected PER: 24.76 2006-07 PER: 27.7 Let's not let a bad playoff series start any revisionist history about the other 82 games. Nowitzki's regular season was wonderful and he deserved the MVP, flat out. Not only did ... Complete Profile #8 Tim Duncan 2007-08 Current PER: 24.41 League Average Comparison: +9.41 Projected PER: 23.72 2006-07 PER: 26.19 One of the more amazing subplots of the MVP race was how everyone conveniently ignored Duncan's existence. While this is remarkably easy to do given his lack of spectacular highlights, ... Complete Profile #9 Manu Ginobili 2007-08 Current PER: 24.34 League Average Comparison: +9.34 Projected PER: 21.7 2006-07 PER: 24.18 Usually secondary players on championship teams become somewhat overrated. Ginobili is the glaring exception to that rule. He's perceived as a nice, solid, complementary player ... Complete Profile #10 Kobe Bryant 2007-08 Current PER: 24.31 League Average Comparison: +9.31 Projected PER: 25.34 2006-07 PER: 26.13 Kobe had an amazing season, in a way that I'm not sure is fully appreciated. Bryant came into the season cold after having knee surgery in July. He didn't play any preseason games ... Complete Profile 11 Chris Bosh 2007-08 Current PER: 23.88 League Average Comparison: +8.88 Projected PER: 24.02 2006-07 PER: 22.72 The smooth southpaw missed some time in the early part of the season with a knee injury, but it might have been the best thing that could have happened to him. Bosh looked a little ... Complete Profile #12 Chauncey Billups 2007-08 Current PER: 23.61 League Average Comparison: +8.61 Projected PER: 19.98 2006-07 PER: 21.38 Mr. Big Shot turned into Mr. Bellyflop for the second straight postseason, as his offensive game suddenly disappeared in May for no apparent reason. As the chart shows, Billups' ... Complete Profile #13 Dwight Howard 2007-08 Current PER: 22.98 League Average Comparison: +7.98 Projected PER: 24.51 2006-07 PER: 21.19 Howard took another big step on his path to stardom, making his first All-Star team while dominating in the basket area. The 6-11 center's increased power can be seen in his much ... Complete Profile #14 Al Jefferson 2007-08 Current PER: 22.8 League Average Comparison: +7.8 Projected PER: 19.33 2006-07 PER: 19.9 It was a breakout season for the big guy, who made good on the promise of his first two pro seasons by putting together an All-Star caliber second half. In 25 games after the All-Star ... Complete Profile Y. Ming #15 Yao Ming 2007-08 Current PER: 22.61 League Average Comparison: +7.61 Projected PER: 28.51 2006-07 PER: 26.54 Yao continued his steady improvement by establishing himself as an MVP candidate before a broken leg cost him 34 games. Nonetheless, his numbers for the season were awesome. Yao ... Complete Profile #16 Andrew Bynum 2007-08 Current PER: 22.6 League Average Comparison: +7.6 Projected PER: 16.76 2006-07 PER: 15.44 Bynum had a breakout year in his second pro season out of high school, one that got lost in the whirlwind of the Lakers' refusal to trade him for Jason Kidd and Kobe Bryant's subsequent ... Complete Profile C. Boozer #17 Carlos Boozer 2007-08 Current PER: 21.96 League Average Comparison: +6.96 Projected PER: 23.8 2006-07 PER: 24.11 After two years of being persona non grata in Utah, Boozer bounced back with an All-Star season and a dominating playoff effort that carried the Jazz to the conference finals. ... Complete Profile P. Gasol #18 Pau Gasol 2007-08 Current PER: 21.68 League Average Comparison: +6.68 Projected PER: 22.33 2006-07 PER: 24.22 Gasol missed the start of the season with a broken foot suffered at the World Championship, and by the time he came back they were already playing taps on the Grizzlies' season. ... Complete Profile #19 Dwyane Wade 2007-08 Current PER: 21.63 League Average Comparison: +6.63 Projected PER: 27.43 2006-07 PER: 29.04 Wade came face to face with the risk associated with his playing style last season, and the worry is that as the hits mount he'll become an annual injury casualty. Wade was the ... Complete Profile #20 Carl Landry 2007-08 Current PER: 21.56 League Average Comparison: +6.56 Projected PER: 0 The first pick of the second round, Landry is an undersized power forward whose best assets are strength and toughness. Though only 6-7, he has a solid 248-pound frame and could ... Complete Profile S. Nash #21 Steve Nash 2007-08 Current PER: 21.16 League Average Comparison: +6.16 Projected PER: 22.02 2006-07 PER: 23.87 Nash has played three seasons as a Phoenix Sun (since returning as a free agent). Last season was easily the best of them ... and the only one in which he didn't win the league's ... Complete Profile #22 Carmelo Anthony 2007-08 Current PER: 21.16 League Average Comparison: +6.16 Projected PER: 23.07 2006-07 PER: 22.2 Opposing defenses can't stop Carmelo Anthony, but one wonders if Allen Iverson might. Melo mellowed after the midseason trade for The Answer, losing four points off his scoring average ... Complete Profile #23 Kevin Martin 2007-08 Current PER: 21.07 League Average Comparison: +6.07 Projected PER: 18.99 2006-07 PER: 20.12 A walking advertisement for the benefits of a rigorous offseason program, Martin overcame the Kings' efforts to play keep-away from him and nearly rode his expanding game to the ... Complete Profile #24 Leon Powe 2007-08 Current PER: 20.97 League Average Comparison: +5.97 Projected PER: 15.12 2006-07 PER: 14.52 The little-used, second-round pick played fairly well in his limited opportunities, acting as a poor man's Reggie Evans. As with Evans, the two standout numbers for Powe were his ... Complete Profile A. Iverson #25 Allen Iverson 2007-08 Current PER: 20.92 League Average Comparison: +5.92 Projected PER: 19.29 2006-07 PER: 19.61 Iverson showed unusual restraint immediately after joining the Nuggets. The Answer averaged a career-low 18.9 field-goal attempts per game after the trade, nearly six a game less ... Complete Profile D. Williams #26 Deron Williams 2007-08 Current PER: 20.82 League Average Comparison: +5.82 Projected PER: 16.92 2006-07 PER: 17.15 It's amazing what a difference one move can make. As a rookie, Williams shot the ball decently but hardly ever got to the basket. Last season he was one of the league's most improved ... Complete Profile #27 Caron Butler 2007-08 Current PER: 20.73 League Average Comparison: +5.73 Projected PER: 17.05 2006-07 PER: 18.41 Butler can't make 3s, but he's become a phenomenal midrange jump shooter. Over the past three seasons, he's increased both his attempts and his accuracy on long 2-pointers, and ... Complete Profile #28 Jose Calderon 2007-08 Current PER: 20.5 League Average Comparison: +5.5 Projected PER: 17.14 2006-07 PER: 19.19 The key to the Raptors' success was the rather remarkable success they had at the point guard position, as both T.J. Ford and Calderon blew away their previous career norms in a ... Complete Profile #29 Marcin Gortat 2007-08 Current PER: 20.38 League Average Comparison: +5.38 Projected PER: 11.19 The Polish center was a second-round pick of the Magic in 2006 and was signed over the summer. Based on his European results, he's good enough to be a No. 3 center -- his translated ... Complete Profile #30 T.J. Ford 2007-08 Current PER: 20.37 League Average Comparison: +5.37 Projected PER: 17.79 2006-07 PER: 18.3 Ford made the Raptors' decision to trade Charlie Villanueva for him look considerably brighter than it first appeared, showing huge improvement on his mid-range jumper and, as a ... Complete Profile
Here is the Hollinger PER link if anyone is interested in checking this out themselves. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings
Is it possible for Landry to get a 5 year contract worth the amount the OP posted in post number 1? Say a balloon type contract paying rookie pay for one year and then boom up it goes?
Is the three years a Max term for him? I could easily see other teams offering him three year contracts like this. If you could spread it out over 5 years, it would make it more palatable. That being said, would T-Mac even be with the Rockets in 3 years? Don't we have a lot of other contracts coming off the books?
There's no f'n way he's getting that much! He's going to be 25 at the start of the season, has had a history of knee problems, he's undersized, and is not even a starter for this team! I love the way the guy plays but if he's demanding that much, let him walk or do a sign and trade.
Quoted for accuracy. Only teams with cap room can offer more than the MLE using a 3rd year + balloon. And if you are setting with 12+ million in cap room is Carl Landy really going to be your target when other restricted (like Landry) FA players like Josh Smith, Deng or Iguldala are available as well as UNrestricted ones like Arenas and Jamison? Teams use cap rooms to pursue stars if not superstars, not potentially solid players. A little bit analogous situation might have been Marquis Daniels at Dallas. I think they have give him a max MLE deal after a rookie season (I think undrafted, but not pragmatically different from a 2nd rounder from the perspective of NBA contracts). It was a terrible signing by Dallas BTW. The Rockets are allowed to use their MLE to match such a contract even if they don't have the cap room. We must remember Landry only played 18% of the time this year and started none. Compare that with Scolas at 51% if the time, starting half the games, and many times having to cover multiple positions. http://www.82games.com/0708/0708HOU.HTM From my perspective I would say somewhere between Scola's (2.9 mil) and Hayes (1.8 mil) salary is where Landry's value is at. The Rockets IMO should offer a 2 year deal using the mil exemption day 1 of free agency, 1.9 mil year 1 and 2.0 mil in year 2 with a player option. If he doesn't take it we just have to compare whether Landry is a better option than other free agents (Pietrus?, Sasha?, Duhan?, Udriah?, longer shot like Okafor) using part or all of the MLE. The danger to the Rockets is using most of the MLE (say 3.5 mil or more) than we can only match up to about a 2 million contract for Landry. If the other team knows exactly what we have spent of an MLE they can take advantage. I imagine we will just have to wait and see, and Landry will field offers. Once the offer breaks into our MLE (over 2 years or over 2 mil year) it becomes a judgement call, but if reasonable I think we match despite it costing us a run at the full MLE types (say a play for an Okafor type).
10M for 3 years - cool. 10m PER year - adios. I was impressed with Landry and hope he's around for years to come, but even 3M/yr is kinda pricey, I'd take a gamble at 10m/3yr, but that's the most i'd shell out.
Les is gonna pay him and I"ll tell you why. He paid 42 million for Kelvin Cato. Who do you think is worth more as a player? Landry or Cato?
As much as I love the guy, and I really do love him, he's not worth $8-10 million. He better not be asking for that much.
Good example. Daniels would've been a good signing if he weren't so injury prone. Both of Landry's knees are already shaky...
