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Carl Crawford anyway anyhow?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Luckyazn, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. NJRocket

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    Im sorry, i didnt know you had inside info ...you guys are funny how you all can assume something is in the works but we naysayers cant say that there isnt

    yes i do....i want them to do something to help us win now....and if they need to redo something next season in order to clear room and to find another way to win...even if its short term....then want them to do it ...thats the way baseball works these days in case you havent noticed....there are no more Big red machines or 'we are family" pirates etc...teams are built to win NOW with little regard to finances 5 years down the line
     
  2. rocketlaunch

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    well NJ i would like for you to tell us who they can get right now.. and who they should trade.. since you want us to mortgage the future of the franchise for this season
     
  3. NJRocket

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    its not my job to figure that out....im the fan who pays for the tickets....that is drayton and Tims job...a job that right now they are sucking at by the way

    you see, if we HAD A PLAN B, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now...oin fact, even if we had a crappy plan b, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now.....but since we had NO plan b, we are
     
  4. MadMax

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    so there's no way possible that plan b won't be realized later than....RIGHT NOW???? thus...there was never a plan b???
     
  5. RocketFan007

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    Wrong, that's how big money teams like the Yankees, Mets, Angels, Dodgers, Red Sox work, not middle market teams. Maybe you missed how the Florida Marlins built their latest World Series championship team, by stockpiling young players and giving them time to develop. The now have a solid young nucleus that will allow them to compete for a while.

    I give management the benefit of the doubt, they've always made the trade when it was needed, and Drayton has always opened his pocket book to put a solid team out there.

    Time to put your money where your mouth is, I bet $50 to the tip jar that the Astros will make two or more moves to better the team before spring training. You obviously do not. Put up or shut up.
     
  6. NJRocket

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    basically, if you have a plan B, you put it in motion when plan a fails...you dont devise a plan B after plan a fails...that would be an afterthought and/or damage control
     
  7. MadMax

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    and you're absolutely sure it's not in motion, huh?
     
  8. RocketFan007

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    They've had 3 and a half days, give them some damn time! These type of things don't happen right when you want them to happen.
     
  9. NJRocket

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    I'll make it 100 as long as you can define what constitutes one or two moves that better the team
     
  10. MadMax

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    yeah..seems kinda subjective to me, too. too subjective to use as criteria on a bet.
     
  11. NJRocket

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    max...you are obviously giving them the benefit of the doubt...and im not....so lets drop it...for now;)
     
  12. leroy

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    Yet, neither do you have any insight nor can you assume as much. All we are saying is that there is the possiblility that something can be done and there is the possibility that there was a plan b.


    So you would rather that the Astros suck for 10 years just for one more shot at making the World Series? There is no parity in MLB like there is in the NFL. A long run of success is possible. What is your explanation for the Braves run of consecutive division titles?
     
  13. MadMax

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    i'm not making absolute statements either way. i don't know how i could. i don't know how you can, being honest.

    it's pretty clear they're doing SOMETHING given the rumblings about Burnitz and others. something is up, whether we like it or not.
     
  14. NJRocket

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    Thats not what I said...re-read it. I want them to do what they need to do when they need to do it....I dont ever want to suck.

    FYI - one of the reasons, and perhaps the biggest reason, that the Braves are as good as they are is that they have the BEST GM in all of baseball in John Scheurholz (sp?). He is able to make deals when he needs to and he is an excellent talent evaluator.

    Bobby Cox has something to do with it too.
     
  15. NJRocket

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    Burnitz's agent is creating the rumblings....saying they want to be somewhere bythe end of the week....I dont hear anything coming out of our camp that specifically says anything.
     
  16. MadMax

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    and you won't...they're the astros. they're quiet. like the rockets.
     
  17. rocketlaunch

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    id rather wait then waste money on burnitz but thats just how I feel. he is 35 and he will want at least two years at 6 mil a season.. it will be a stupid move
     
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  18. MadMax

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    agreed.
     
  19. Joe Joe

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    I would not mind seeing a one year deal with Burnitz or a reasonble two year deal for him. I don't see him getting 6 million per season. He made 1.25 mil last year. I can't see him getting much more than 3 per year.

    The Astros need a CF and they could do a lot worse than him. I just don't want the Astros to get him, and then his salary prevents moves that would improve the team.
     
  20. bigboymumu

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    Gotta agree with that.
     

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