Good for him, and well done, and he should be rewarded. But that doesn't change the motivation of the terrorist, does it? I think it is well-known that in many instances of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam, many of the victims (or even the majority) are Muslims. Makes the perverted "logic" of the terrorists even more obviously crazy.
Not particularly. In the past 100 years, almost every terrorist act (non-state sponsored acts of violence) has been perpetrated by Muslims. It's nothing to be proud of, either.
Source please. Are you discounting all the terrorist acts against blacks in the south because they were supported by the ruling elite? What about Labor and Anarchists and EarthFirst!ers and Pinkertons? What about the LA Times bombing in 1910 or the Wall Street bombing that killed 38 in 1920 or the Bath School bombings in 1927 that killed 45 people because some proto wingnut was upset about property taxes? What about the Unabomber or the Olympic bomber or abortion clinic bombers? School shootings? The IRS airplane crash? The Holocaust Museum shooting? OKLAHOMA CITY? Army of God? The SLA and the BLA and the Weathermen? Earth Liberation Front? What about Cuban and Puerto Rican nationalists who set off bombs in the 1970's? Jewish Defense League? Japanese Red Army? What about Croatians bombing the Statue of Liberty in 1980? What about the Rajneeshee (sp?) cult poisoning people? Black churches burned down? I could go on, but I think it's important to also mention all those Muslim Catholics in Ireland and Muslim drug lords in South America.
Yep when I was in Belfast it was nothing but burkhas. Just to add another terrorist group in the last 100 years. The Stern Gang who commited acts of terrorism against the British and Arabs in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel. In fact Avraham Stern once wrote: [rquoter]Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.[/rquoter]
I don't know what you guys are arguing about. No one is saying all terrorist plots are carried out by Muslims. No one is saying no terrorist plots are carried out by Muslims. No one is saying all Muslims are terrorists. No one is saying no terrorists are Muslims. The perpetrator was a Muslim, the guy that foiled it was a Muslim. The plot was foiled, no one was hurt, and the perpetrator was apprehended. Let's just leave it at that. What's to argue about?
So again, please source this statement: You are arguing that over the last 100 years (which included several periods of great worldwide economic and social upheaval along with two World Wars and countless other conflicts and nationalist movements) "almost every" act of terrorism was "perpetrated by Muslims." Prove it. You can't because it is not so. Your argument is the worst kind of historical illiteracy.
Not really accurate. That may be true in communities that are almost exclusively Muslim like Saudi Arabia etc. However in the Europe and the U.S. almost less than %1 and about 6% are committed by Muslims. I've posted the stats which come from the FBI, and Europol in other threads.
Let me preface this by saying that I am a Muslim, and I have always been a Muslim and I used to defend Islam under the scrutiny of terrorism. My religion isn't violent, but a vocal minority halfway across the globe is. A lot of violence in the 20th century was state sponsored. Reference this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_groups Almost all of these groups are geared toward Muslims.
Terrorist organizations founded in the 20th century Code: Irish Republican Army Ireland 1916 1923 Eamonn de velara Michael Collins Bloody Sunday, 1920 Irish Republican Brotherhood; *Muslim Brotherhood Egypt 1928 Hassan al-Banna assassinations Assassinated former PM Mahmud Fahmi al-Nuqrashi, 1948 Irgun Palestine 1931 1948 Avraham Tehomi Menachem Begin bombings King David Hotel bombing, 1946 Irish Republican Army Lehi Palestine 1940 1948 Abraham Stern Yitzhak Shamir assassinations Lord Moyne assassination, 1944 Irish Republican Army Front de Liberation National Algeria 1954 1962 Toussaint Rouge attacks, 1954 Indochina rebels EOKA Cyprus 1955 1959 George Grivas ETA Spain 1959 bombings, assassinations Assassinated "President" Blanco, 1978 *Fatah Palestine 1959 Yasser Arafat Munich Olympics massacre, 1972 Algerian rebels Front de Liberation du Quebec Quebec 1963 1971 Georges Schoeters bombings, kidnappings, assassinations October Crisis kidnappings, 1970 Che Guevara; the FLN *PLO Palestine 1964 Yasser Arafat *PFLP Palestine 1967 Black September skyjacking, 1970 Che Guevara *PFLP-GC Palestine 1968 Hangglider shooting, 1970 Red Army Faction Germany 1968 1998 Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof German Autumn killings, 1977 Che Guevara; Mao; Vietcong *DFLP Palestine 1969 Avivim school bus massacre, 1970 Provisional IRA Ireland 1969 2005 Seán Mac Stíofáin Gerry Adams bombings, assassinations Bloody Friday bombings, 1972 Weathermen U.S.A. 1969 1977 Chicago police statue bombing, 1969 Mao; Black Panthers Italian Red Brigade Italy 1970 1989 Renato Curcio Assassinated former Prime Minister Aldo Moro, 1978 Japanese Red Army Japan 1971 2001 Fusako Shigenobu Lod Airport Massacre, 1972 FALN Puerto Rico 1974 bombings Four NYC bombs, 1975 ASALA Turkey 1975 1986 Hagop Tarakchian Attack on Ankara airport, 1982 Tamil Tigers Sri Lanka 1976 Columbus bus terminal bombing, 1987 *PKK Turkey 1978 Abdullah Ocalan Assassinated former Prime Minister Nihat Erim, 1980 Mao; FLN *Egyptian Islamic Jihad Egypt 1980 Omar Abdel-Rahman Luxor massacre, 1997 *Hezbollah Lebanon 1982 Hassan Nasrallah Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini *Hamas Gaza 1987 Sheikh Ahmed Yassin Muslim Brotherhood *Al-Qaeda Saudi Arabia 1988 Osama bin Laden 9/11 attacks, 2001 *East Turkestan Liberation Organization China 1990 Aum Shinrikyo Japan 1990 1995 Shoko Asahara Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway, 1995 *Lashkar-e-Taiba Pakistan 1991 Mumbai train bombings, 2006 and 2008 Mumbai attack. *Chechnyan Separatists Russia 1994 Shamil Basayev Beslan school hostage crisis, 2004 About half are Muslim-run, and they are the clear majority of surviving organizations.
I don't care if you're Muslim or not. It has nothing to do with the erroneous statement you previously made. As to your posts in this thread, you're changing the goalposts. First, you say this: Now, you respond to my critique by not admitting you were mistaken, but by saying this: In the first, you talk about non-state sponsored terrorism and in the second, you try to justify the first by talking about state sponsored terrorism. Your approach is nonsensical. On top of that, while you first said "almost every terrorist act" you now come with some very weak sauce by noting: So which is it? Almost every or about half? Just own up and admit you made a mistake. Don't double down on a bad card. (I probably would have let it slide if you had originally confined the observation to the last 10 years instead of the last 100, but History is, you know, kind of important and there's so much bad info on the Internet I couldn't let it pass.)
face it, brown muslims from brownmuslimstan planned and executed this attack (the naturalized status of the current suspect notwithstanding). brown muslims are not the only terrorists in the world, but they attacked us this time, and we've been at war withthe jihadist element w/in that particular demographic needs for some time. it should not be racist to say so, and it's a disservice to peaceful muslims in the US and the world over to deny it.
Its never racist to acknowledge established facts. But it is a disservice to peaceful Muslims to assume this terrorist act must have come from a Muslim before the facts came in.
