<blockQUOTE><hr>originally posted by Achebe</i> heyp, I got that blurb too, where KT said it was nothing new...<hr></blockQUOTE> But in the johnnie on the spot observances, "I won't believe until I see it." btw: Rudy fielded KT with Francis and Mobley in the motion drills today. KT is the best passing PF...mark my words!!!
That's probably true. Griffin does not seem to be a great passer and neither does Taylor. Also, Thomas definitely gets more assists than they do. But Griffin beats both Taylor and Thomas in rebounding and shotblocking as well as 3-point shooting.
The player defines the position. The position doesn't define the player. Their "roles" are not as "different" as you think; or want to admit. Their = Payton and Mobley, NOT PG roles vs SG roles
Funny, my dad happens to hate Cuttino Mobley as well. THinks he will destroy the team because of his shot selection. I just wish he was 3 inches taller
heyp, wasn't Boki in that same lineup? They even had a stand-in at C so Cato wouldn't ham things up. I'm not so sure that Kenny should feel unwanted, maybe he should feel... were the Rockets able to get rid of pothead fatboy, then there would be $$$ and a place for him. Awwwww... TheCat. You know I actually agree with you on many a' issue.... but you just sometimes type your opinions in such absolutist, weirdo ways to make your point. I know you're fighting for good though, so I'll try to lay off. for now, whhwhahahhahahh. *ahem* i'm matman
Can you make a point with out trying to insult people? Or all NewYorkers A-holes by nature and not able to controll themselves? There you go Stereotype v. Stereotype This is really all you needed to say to get your point across. Mobley is a decent defender and should be even better this year, but this has already been discussed at length in different threads.
yeah, it was Boki and Goodrich. Good sign that Goodrich will be retained....the "Camp Darling." But as important, it was SF and CM, who don't seem to be on the same team much. I wonder if Steve screamed like a girl and jumped into Kenny's arm, like he did fatboy. If I read Clutch's description correctly, they were running motion without a defense, which is common in the early stages of teaching. They teach the offense to dance together, first, in patterns. I can see Francis say, "Hey, the backdoor cut is open, throw me an alley-oop." Must be pretty boring for Goodrich..."Ah, come on coach, this is remedial training." btw: why are we still talking in this thread??? Pretty soon, it is going to make the newly-automated front page "Hot Topic" list. sigh.
I think you're very confused. Francis and Payton have very similar roles. Both are responsible for leading the team, initiating the offense, and breaking down defenses. Mobley duty is to score. He's getting the ball to shoot.
Believe>>>>>you're an idiot. Mobley is one of the sweetest 2's in the league. he's lights out every nite and HE makes Francis look better. BELIEVE IT!
Oh $hit!!! I can't stop laughing... That's some funny $hit. You know what? You are right. Your absolutely right. What a mug.
Believe- you are entitled to your opinion. There is no reason to disrespect Old School. - BTW OS I really enjoy your posts. Do I really have to re hash all the positves about Cuttino? YES -I'll be glad to.... #1) Dollar for dollar he is by far the most bang for the buck on this team. He is a bargain. That in itself is a supreme "team" =selfless integrity. #2) Like Vinnie "the microwave" Johnson he is instant offense. #3) He is arguably the most consistent player on this team over the last 4 years. #4) He comes to camp in shape - thank you Believe for agknowledging this- to me is very important. He comes to camp ready. #5) He fits with our team chemistry... #6) He has been a Rocket the longest. #7) He has worked very hard with few assets to help him. Find something significant to complain about..... He is my favorite Rocket along with Eddie Griffin. Philadelphia proud!!!!!!!!!
... screaming at Maddox for the pass when Francis was on him... I guess things get pretty intense, like the Breadtruck calling Dream politically incorrect names...
How do you explain Mobley shooting nearly 40% from 3 pt range? He's in a no win situation anyway, if Mobley does shoot and raise his percentage he's going to get ripped for being a ball-hog anyway, and if he raises his assist average people are going to complain he isn't shooting the ball in key situations.
RM, 40% 3pt is great. But I don't think that 45% FG% is that much of a stretch...It's doable. Mobley said himself that he was in mid-season form last year -- it took him to the mid-season to get into shape. He said we should see a big improment this year. 40% 3pt and and 45FG% is great for a SG. Heck, that's great for a lot of guards! And I don't think that it's out of the Cat's reach. But, the greatest gaurds/forwards always score around 50%. That why I like to use Payton as a measuring stick. Also, Mobley wont be called a "ball hog" unless he runs the ISO himself all the time. If he plays w/in the system, then he should get his shots (and more open ones).
Threads like this make me wish there was an age verification system on this board. I say you have to be at least old enough to not make it extremely blatant that your balls haven't dropped yet. This would save people from coming on here and embarressing themselves in their first couple of posts.
14 players in the league total averaged 50% last year. Only 3 pure guards reached the 50% plateau-Stockton, Barry, and Wally. Stockton can be considered "great" but Barry is a "decent" SG, and Wally is simply a great shooter, but not too much more. The rest of the list- Shaq, Brand, Duncan, Robinson, Mutumbo, Zo are pure inside players. Gasol is a big man, as is Mason. Then 3 other tweeners-Corliss Williamson, Ruben Patterson, and Donyell Marshall. For comparison's sake let's take the greatest SG, of all time, Michael Jordan. MJ has NEVER had a season where he averaged 50% FG% and a 38% 3P%. Jordan has also averaged below 50% FG% in over half his seasons. 50% FG% is just something that guards who put up a lot of shots rarely achieve. With the addition of Francis and Ming, and the improvement of EG, plus MoT, I expect to see Cat get easier FG opportunities, resulting in increased FG%.
Thats why guard oriented offenses don't normally win championships. You need your primary scorer to be close to 50 percent shooting to have a chance. So either, Yao becomes our primary scorer or Francis, Mobley, Griffin or maybe all three become close to 50 percent shooters.
You wrote all that, just to agree with me in the end...? By the way, I never said that Mobley should average 40%3pt/50%FG. I said, 40%3pt/45%FG... Also, I was only talking about PG/SG. Not PF/Centers. They have FG% above 60% (due to dunks/and post plays).
Go back and read the original post...You just confused yourself. You asked why should you do a comparison with Payton and Mobley. I said, they had similar roles. To score for THEIR TEAM. Forget their positions. That's why I said, "the player defines the position" not vise versa. Want proof? If Seattle got Speewell, Payton "job" would still be to score. You put too much emphasis on position. I put the emphasis on the player's ability.
