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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Contributing Member

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    Volume of legislation <> ideologically left
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    To inject my own personal opinion I have to applaud Obama on the tax cut compromise. I didn't agree with it at all and still think he could've won sticking to his original position but it looks like the compromise did help get things like DADT repeal, and START II passed.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    Don't project on others.

    You are wrong. And I didn't at any point interject "Republican" or "Democrat". I can point out some actual principled Republicans who believe in all the crazy crap they peddle. A few of them post right here.

    People like you and texx are just greedy. It would be more honest if you would drop the pretense 90% of the time.
     
  4. ChievousFTFace

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    LOL because those who were making over $250k during the clinton years were so bad off. God forbid we adjust the tax brackets to correct the budget.

    In the mind of above conservatard:

    3% = socialism
     
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  5. tallanvor

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    Well they can't hang their hat on any legislation that has actually had a result because the results of those actions have all been bad (i.e stimulus bill). So instead they are doing what they can and hanging their hat on whatever else they can (passing large amounts of bills that nobody read with majorities in both houses). It reeks of desperation.
     
  6. da Whopper

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    No, if you equate "productivity" with the quantity of legislation, then you are using the expansion of the state as metric for productivity.

    Using words like "productivity" or "effectiveness"is not really accurate.

    And the primary purpose of Congress to legislate wisely, not simply to legislate for the sake of legislating. Your statement is conceptually flawed though totally expected given your politics.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    Who said a tax hike equals socialism?
     
  8. Major

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    People making $250K+ in the 2008 election voted for Obama over McCain. Not everyone is quite as selfish as you.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    Good. Then those folks can start voluntarily paying more in taxes. Don't project on me, brah

    problem solved
     
  10. ChievousFTFace

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    The person I quoted:

    "stealing from the rich and redistributing wealth."
     
  11. da Whopper

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    So, wanting to keep your own money is selfish, but demanding that other people give you money is not. Got it.
     
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  12. thadeus

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    You know .. the more I read your posts in this forum (many of which include you bragging about wealth), the more I tend to believe that you're just another one of these poor suckers who has been tricked into internalizing the system of values that keeps the wealthy in charge of our world.

    But, no big deal. You can keep thinking you're one of the wealthy - they appreciate your support.
     
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  13. ChievousFTFace

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    Wow... someone got an F in reading comprehension.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Major

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    This is what the original poster claimed:

    Higher tax payers vote Republican to keep more of their earnings.

    Fighting for lower taxes for yourself at the expense of others is pretty much the definition of selfish. Being selfish isn't always a bad thing, but I don't see how you can argue that voting only what is best only for you is not selfish.
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    repped.

    The liberals are so convinced by their group-think circle jerk that they believe it's their God-given right to take all rich people's money.

    Hey liberals, how'd that work out for you in the mid-term elections?

    [​IMG]
     
  16. tallanvor

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    That is not socialism
     
  17. Major

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    No need to project. You openly admit to being selfish. This is the very definition - all about "me":

    like giving me my tax cut?
     
  18. Rocketman1981

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    I think its more along the lines of each person views the world through their own self-interest.

    That very basic understanding dictates much. I believe that capital in my hands will be efficiently allocated and invested to companies and businesses that will use that money to create jobs, technologies and such that makes the pie bigger so the government percentage grows as well.

    I don't fault the poor for voting for additional healthcare and entitlement benefits, but they must realize that they will eventually bear the cost as well as those taxed will pass the costs on the consumers at all levels. Their consumed goods cost will inflate to cover the tax differential and this will limit their discretionary income and their ability to pay off debt and one day get an education or start a business. This is the fabric of our system and I don't enjoy lowering costs to those that can barely afford it.

    I don't believe taxation at 40% versus 35% will really dissuade people from investing or disincentivize them from working hard, but the multiplier effect is greater through business and individual's capital spent compared with the bureacracy of the government.

    I believe in increasing the size of the pie, though enticing people to invest and enticing companies to come to the US without fear of government imposed costs of healthcare or cap & trade etc. Raising taxes when this economy is on stronger ground would not be a big issue compared to now while this recovery is still very weak and prolongued.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    let me hit you with some knowledge, brah

    liberals demand rich people's money. That's called "projecting on others", as it is taking somebody else's money.

    I won't charge you for this lesson -- a little early Christmas present for ya
     
  20. Rocketman1981

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    Their gravest concern was not the additional 3% in taxes, but the shock of the plummeting financial crisis and went towards someone they felt had a new or better idea of how to solve it.

    When you're investment portfolio plummeted 30+ percent in 2008, the concern is still one's self but in a larger context than a few extra tax percentage points. McCain had no idea about any of these issues and his solution was tax credits and pork barrell spending cuts which were barely anything compared to the TARP plan. He was lost and it showed and Obama reflected something different to save us from the whirlwind madness during those fateful months in 2008.
     

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