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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. tallanvor

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    Republicans spend less, thus making them more fiscally responsible. Entitlements like welfare, fannie and freddie, and others come from mostly democrats.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Medicare Part D anyone? Was that one funded (like Social Security and Medicare were) or not?

    Bush increased the national debt in record setting ways, then set up structural deficits that are still being paid for today. Try selling your snake oil to someone who has been politically active for a few months or less, you should have no shortage of takers at your local TEA Party event.
     
  3. Ubiquitin

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    Medicare Part D's donut hole has caused many of my patients to stop taking their meds.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If you are serious about this you need to address that fact that BOTH parties have been irresponsible with the budget and spending. The fact that you leave it just to one party is kinda just blowing partisan smoke and talking points.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    I CELEBRATE myself, and sing myself,
    And what I assume you shall assume,
    For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you.
     
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  6. mtbrays

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    Holy crap, I quit. Done with it all. NOTHING is black and white tallanvor, especially in politics.

    Both parties are going to spend your money. It is the said state of the American political spectrum. It's just a matter of how you want it spent. If you'd like it to be spent for a very small percentage of the population that, by and large, are filthy rich and on pointless wars like Iraq, Republicans are for your. If you'd rather it be set aside for social issues like healthcare and education, but bungled in horrible, goofy ways, the Democrats are your party.

    I personally like a little comedy, but I'm not a masochist. Therefore, I tend to vote Democrat.

    The Republicans have swindled you. They do not care about you or the majority of this country. They invent hollow, emotional arguments (Immigrants! Gays! Terrorists!) that turn your attention away from your own economic situation.

    You are not making a difference posting on a basketball BBS and you're making even less of one by voting for what you consider to be the "lesser of two evils." If people would wake up in this country and form viable third parties, you would make much more of a political impact. In a non-homogenous society like America, it is politically impossible to have two "big tent" parties and achieve anything politically. You arrive to where we are now; voting for the same lies over and over again, mainly to spite the other guy.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    I called the Republicans the "lesser of two evils" (a few posts back). I did address this fact. Republicans are irresponsible with budgeting. Just not as bad as Democrats.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    I agree, thats why I stated it a few posts back ("lesser of two evils").

    I don't think the Iraq war is pointless. Iraqis, I think, would disagree with that statement too.

    If I wanted my money spent on these things I would do it myself. Why do I need the government to take my money by force and do it? There are charities that do the exact things you mention above and I could give my money to them.

    Third party is one option. I (and many others I think) would prefer to change the Republican party into what we want it to be. Thats why you see Republicans being so aggressive last primary. In the end, it's doing the same thing as creating a third party.
     
  9. mtbrays

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    Not one drop of American blood was worth Bush's lie-based shenanigan in Iraq. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, if they were not dead, would say the same thing. We can't force our system of governance on people. Say what you will about Saddam Hussein, he at least kept two volatile Muslim factions from all-out destruction when he was in power. The American invasion created the sectarian violence in Iraq, something that did not exist under Saddam. It was a war of choice, not of necessity. This is an argument that only history will solve.



    Again, another fundamental disagreement. There are some people that will never see government as a vehicle for good. If they can back up that ideology with logic and well-reasoned argument, I will respect their opinion, but disagree. The issue is that most people with the means to contribute probably won't due to human nature. There is a detachment from the top 1% of earners and the poorest among us that will never be bridged. Also, why do you trust these charities to not mis-appropriate your money in the same way that you expect the government to? Again, a fundamental disagreement in the role of government and how much to trust it.



    Why? You do not address the big-tent issue here. Your posts on this board indicate that your beliefs lean harder to the right than the average bear. That is not a philosophy that many voters will buy into. People can only vote against their own self-interests for so long.

    A clear example of the two-party system swallowing a true third party movement is that of the Democratic Party eating the Populists. The latter, had they stuck to their guns and not endorsed for President William Jennings Bryan, might have stuck around longer and been a viable third option. Instead, their movement was co-opted by a different political party and they ceased to exist. That is exactly what is going to happen to the "Tea Party." By giving into the fake Republican populism, the Tea Party has guaranteed that it will be politically irrelevant in a few election cycles because they are now indistinguishable from the Republicans.

    By allowing itself to be absorbed by the Republican Party, does the Tea Party not tacitly admit that it's too fringe to be a mainstream movement? While I find their views abhorrent, I would like to see them stick it out and see which tent the so called "conservative" section of America is more comfortable with. I wouldn't characterize Sharron Angle and Mitt Romney as being ideologically similar, but they are now because they both the (R) attached to their names.
     
  10. robsanchrox

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    This is the most ridiculous criticism of man I have ever witnessed.

    "The issue is that the people with the most means to contribute probably won't due to human nature". Spoken like a true communist. So apparently you believe that people of means are incapable of of giving. You basically are saying you want to force people to cough it up because, well, we can't trust them.

    "People can only vote against their own self interests for so long." You know what, you are absolutely right, that's why American people couldn't vote against themselves anymore and threw the democratic congress out of office. Thank you for proving my point
     
  11. mtbrays

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    Glad you took the time to honor me with your fourth post!

    Your fears are exactly correct. We are plotting to overtake schools, colleges, retirement homes and monster truck rallies. No more of this nonsense, only what's best for All. All, of course being the name of the Leader/the embodiment of man. He will look like everything you fear and love at the same time, putting you in the uncomfortable position of submission.

    Your feeble attempts to rebel are scorned and ridiculed. You will laugh and cry when instructed in the future.
     
  12. robsanchrox

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    Laugh and cry when instructed in the future, what kind of sick communist are you?
     
  13. ChievousFTFace

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    Fear not comrade... We are building Jesus camps with fun activities, such as:

    1. Mullet stylin contests
    2. Bashobama piƱata time
    3. Shoot the illegul video game rally
    4. Prayur seshun led by supreme leader Glen Beck, praise be unto him
    5. Find the birth certificate treasure hunt

    Feel the love, feel the purebred, feel the abstinence. The dream of the conservative utopia!!!
     
  14. tallanvor

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    So you know how charitable everyone should be with their money and you are gonna use the government to threaten other's freedom if they don't act how charitable you think they should? What a great society to live in.

    I don't expect the government to appropriate my money in the way it says it will. The government loses and wastes tons of money. With me voluntarily giving my money to charity I at least have a choice of charities and can try to make the best decision (or I could not go through a charity and do it myself. Find a homeless guy and help him out). If a charity lost/mis-appropriated as much money as the federal government I would not give them a dime.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    For your crime of online MPD whack-a-mole, I hope you get sucked into a computer like Tron and then paralyzed in a freak lightcycle accident.

    Of course, andymoon hasn't seen your post yet, so doubtless he'll waste his time with a lengthy point-by-point reply and we can all titter at his gulllibility. And then twitter about such titter. Am looking forward. Maybe I will do a freelance piece in the New Yorker about it.
     
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    Pfft... better just to dig a hole for him with a Shovel. Face the facts bub, only a full frontal lobotomy can help him.
     
  17. SamFisher

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