I wouldn't say Jordan didn't face tough defensives. The 90's was a different breed of teams. Now others argue that Jordan never played against a team with a dominate center and that's very true but that doesn't mean anything though... Actually comparing different positions isn't hard at all. That's why it's called positions...
But Chases career is not over, who knows how many rings he is going to get. As it stands, Jordan is the best SG to ever play the game, Chase may change that but we'll see. (You still do not see the error in your logic :grin: )
You didn't but anteaterz did, and I was responding to him. And Kobe is not on the level of MJ so what is your point. Has Kobe won 6 final MVP's, has Kobe ever averaged a FG% higher than .500 in a season?
If your reasoning for picking Kobe over Lebron is that Kobe can contribute without scoring, that's a pretty stupid argument. Lebron is a better rebounder and passer than Kobe.
I know that T-Mac also put up better numbers in the playoffs than in the regular season, for all the good it did his team.
Hakeem is definitely the better player. Kobe might be better for today's game because of the rule changes to make life easy on perimeter players. I would still pick Hakeem though. It would be completely unfair to the rest of the league to have such a skilled and athletic center in today's league where Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol are considered the best big men.
In your opinion he isn't on his level. Many NBA experts/former players/coaches that played against MJ feel otherwise. I truly do not care either way. I'm not a Kobe or a MJ fan. I could care less. Everyone has an opinion and you base yours on stats. Others base theirs on other things. Does that make you right and them wrong? IMO MJ is better but that doesn't make me right. As I stated early, Kobe isn't done yet and that's a fact. Facts are facts just like you view stats which are also facts. How long will Kobe play at a high level? Maybe another year or so. One thing I wanted to point out is Kobe came into the NBA at 18 as MJ played in college and took two years off. MJ was fresher than Kobe and had less mileage. You can't agrue against that either. Either way... I'm a Rockets fan. So what's your point?
I think this poor-performance-in-a-clinching-game thing is being waaaaay over-rated. They still won, Kobe was still the MVP, was still the best player on the best team, and everyone has a clunker here and there. For example, check out this line (with Kobe's number last night in parenthesis for comparison): 43 Minutes (45) 22 Points (23) 5-19 FGs (6-24) 0.263 FG% (0.250) 1-3 3PTs (0-6) 0.333 3PT% (0.000) 11-12 FTs (11-15) 0.917 FT% (0.733) 9 Rebounds (15) 7 Assists (2) 2 Steals (1) 5 Turnovers (4) Pretty similar game to what Kobe had last night, right? Anyone care to guess who had such a pitiful showing, and when? That's right....Michael (the greatest ever) Jordan. Game 6, 6/16/96, clinching win of the NBA Finals against the Sonics. Does anyone remember this horrible performace in a clinching game today? No Did this one clunker, no matter how important the situation, ruin MJ's legacy? No Just calm down and get a grip. Kobe is not MJ, and IMO, can never claim to be, no matter how many rings he ends up with. 2 years ago, I watched Paul Pierce (a clearly inferior player) out-play Kobe head-to-head in the Finals. MJ was NEVER out-played in any Finals appearance, much less head-to-head. Of course, we here in Houston know Dream would have whooped him in 94/95, but nevertheless we never had a chance to actually see it play out. But because I witnessed Kobe lose in the Finals, while clearly being out-done in a direct mano-a-mano matchup, in my mind he can never claim to be better than Jordan. I do think greatest Laker is still on the table, however. Right now, I think only Magic is ahead, but even that's debatable. Kobe has now won 2 rings with a supporting cast of Gasol/Odom/Bynum/Fisher/Artest/Ariza. That is quite a step down from the Kareem/Worthy/Wilkes/Nixon/McAdoo/Scott/Cooper cast with which Magic got 4 of his 5 rings. 3 other Hall-of-Famers (Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo) plus several All-Stars helped Magic get the majority of those rings. Kobe had 1 HoFamer the first 3 with Shaq, but Gasol is no HoFamer, and the last 2 have been all Kobe's. I know Gasol played well, but before he met Kobe he was a footnote with 3 playoff wins in 6 seasons. If he was still on Memphis, he would be as anonymous as David West. Magic won his first without Kareem or Worthy, but the other 4 had at least one HoF player also on the team. Remember, Magic also lost 4 times in the Finals, including 2 sweeps in 83 & 89, and a loss against MJ when he was no longer surrounded by great players in 91. As such, I think it's at least reasonable to put Kobe's 5/7 up against Magic's 5/9. And Kobe's not done yet...if he wins #6 next year, it's not even a debate any more.
i see people bringing up jordan's game 6 vs the sonics but how is that comparable to kobe's game 7? game 6 vs the sonics was well out of reach for them and even if jordan had a poor game 6 if they loss they would have gone to game 7. kobe was in a do or die game 7 that went down to the stretch. i understand people are trying to find assimilates but the situations are not even the same.
The point is winning is what matters...style points are for losers. Nobody remembers how MJ won #4, just that he was the best player on the best team. Kobe brings a ton of heat on himself with his selfish attitude and play, but you have to give him credit for getting it done, no matter how ugly. MJ was just as arrogant, crass and obnoxious as Kobe...he was just a better 2-face, whereas Kobe is more transparent. If you don't believe me, watch his HoF speech. At least Kobe confines his insecurities to digs at Shaq...MJ took a run at everyone. A ton of people on this board, and all over the world, seem more focused on style than substance. All I'm pointing out is that everyone, even MJ, has bad games on the biggest stage, but in the long run, winning is what matters, and Kobe is undoubtedly a winner.
Guarding Kobe was a death sentence for Ray Allen. Other than that 1 half in Game 2 where he hit 8 3s he has done squad in the 7 games. He had no energy left in his legs trying to contain Kobe
bolded has nothing do with the conversation at hand so moving on. im just saying people binging up the sonics game and probably didnt even watch it. the score was 84-68 with like 2.30 left in the 4th. that games was done by the 3rd. the bulls milked the clock down to the wire and took bad shots down the stretch. how is that comparable to a game 7 coming down to the wire? im just saying people are bring up game 6 but the situations are completely different.
