When Reed hits the big shot before the game winner by Jalen, you'll all believe and will never speak such blasphemy on him again ...
If Ware avg or had a game(s) of 20/10/2 does it matter? If he is starting or coming off the bench and impacting winning, does his stats matter? The main point should be he went from a Rookie on the bench to a main contributor in 3-4 mos. and that's what I, as well as the Rocket's organization, was expecting from a #3 draft pick. Im sure the Rockets felt they could have used help at that position, with FVV being out and Jalen wearing down. The fact of the matter is UP TO THIS POINT, Reed has been a disappointment. However, like I said if he does not show improvement by next Pre-season, then we need to start looking at him as a BUST.
I agree on Castle and Edey but Ware and Dillingham were in the same position as Reed and they earned their playing time. And once again, I know every situation is different but as of today, he has not shown ANYTHING to justify playing time.
Then just say that. Why do you have to go make up a fake stat that does nothing to support your argument and just hurts your credibility? The worst part is I actually agree with your opinion. I'd rather have Ware than Reed and I think it's possible for Ware to be the better long term player. But when somebody does something stupid like using fake stats to support an argument that I agree with, I look stupid too for even agreeing with that person.
We already have 2 active threads available to bash Sheppard. A third was wildly unnecessary. Taking the bait, for the sake of argument, assuming Reed is a total bust (which I'm nowhere close to calling at this point) the only potentially franchise altering non-pick that was also feasible to pick 3rd is Castle. Edey, Clingan, and Dillingham may all have better careers than Reed but none of those guys look like they will be high-end players. We have plenty of future picks to get a player who can contribute on their level. Drafting Reed didn't prevent getting Ware. If the Rockets really liked him I'm sure they could have made some sort of trade to jump into the 10-14 spot like Washington did to pick Carrington at 14.
Let me ask you this, because you really seem bothered that I used a game stat as Ware's avg since December. And if I misquoted, that's on me. However, there's no denying that Ware has been more productive than Reed, which is the point I was making.
That's exactly my point. Ware has clearly been more productive than Reed and you could easily defend that with REAL stats like saying he's been averaging 14/8 in his last 10 games. But when you use FAKE stats, you lose credibility and make the argument look weak. If we allow fake stats into the discourse anyone can just say "No Reed is more productive he's averaging 50ppg and 30 apg".
Let me ask you this. Don't you think 14/8 are good stats for a rookie in his last 10 games? Or does 20/10 change your opinion that much?
Yes I think 14/8 is very good which is exactly why it was stupid to lie for no reason. You would have accomplished the same thing using the real stats.
Didn't I just tell you on the last page that it was a game stat, rather than a 10 game avg? Lol If I had of said he was 10/6, rather than 14/8 in the last game would you be this adamant?? You're hilarious!
Man, we’re ready to write off a player after their rookie season? I like his basketball iq, and I’m still holding out hope that his shot will come around, just feel he was too good of a shooter in college to not carry over to the pros. Could he be a bust? Sure, but I think that would be answer fairly after a few seasons, not half way through his rookie year. Remember when Amen looked like he couldn’t even dribble a basketball at first? Now we talk as if he’s a franchise player for us (and rightfully so). Let’s give it some time. As far as can we recover? I don’t think there’s any “recovering” to have done. It’s one draft, teams miss out on players all the time and they move on. We have a lot of young talent, we aren’t in a gotta win now” situation like the warriors were when they drafted Wiseman. We have plenty of time.
Reed is balling in the G-league. Plus Rockets is loaded at the guard position. I think he will eventually come around and needs a longer time to build confidence.
There is no “if”. You just screwed up, intentionally or not, and you adamantly refuse to accept it. Just say “I screwed up”. It isn’t that hard, except for people with zero humility or self-awareness. Or donate a few bucks so you can edit your posts and pretend you weren’t just making stuff up.
When I emphasize "RECOVER", I'm emphasizing the need for a backup PG now and a starting PG moving forward. If Reed had lived up to expectations, we wouldn't have such a drop in production once FVV got hurt and we probably wouldn't have endured a 6 game losing streak. Not putting EVERYTHING on him but the production at that position was a main cause for the losing streak. Additionally and more importantly, if he shown the same qualities in the NBA, that he shown in the G-League, I don't think the Rockets would be looking at EXTENDING FVV. Which could cost them $25MM - $30MM per yr for 3yrs, plus Reed's $10MM - $20MM. That's $35MM - $ 50MM at one position for AVG production at best. So, when you look at it, this can effect us for the next 2-3 yrs for sure, because of a possible bust. A missed draft pick in the NBA is more vital than in the NFL or MLB. If you're only playing a 10 man rotation, that's 1/10th of your roster.
If the Rockets were counting on Reed to impact winning as a small rookie PG they were fools. One and done rookies are rarely positive impact players in the league and especially if they are asked to run an offense.
I really want you to think about what you are saying. Since the beginning of the season, Ime has been GIVING, I mean literally GIVING Reed minutes, minutes that he hasn't earned, I'm sure we can ALL agree on that. And why do you think they have been GIVING him minutes? Is it because they want to see how he looks against other NBA talent? Or may be they just like him? NO! AND NO! They drafted him with the thought of him being the best talent in this past draft and expecting him to be able to give 12 - 15 mins per night. They drafted him to be that shooter off the bench.....Immediately!
I can't agree to that. Reed looked good in summer league and I have no idea how he looked in the off-season and during practice. Maybe he looked better than Holiday in practice. I have no idea. The Rockets also signed Holiday after drafting Reed so they likely went into the season knowing Reed might not be ready. And when he showed that he wasn't Holiday stepped in. I doubt the Rockets drafted Reed expecting him to be a winning player right away. The numbers on rookie PGs being that make it unlikely, and the Rockets are an analytical team. I'm sure they hoped Reed would be one of the rare positive impact cases but my guess is they brought back Holiday knowing there was a good chance he wouldn't be.
I'm sure the Rockets weren't offered much in trade proposals. I think it's also worth noting this was really the first Rockets draft in recent memory where we didn't go with Best Player Available(BPA) but rather leaned into fit. I thought Castle was BPA(in a very weak draft) but we didn't need another defensive ace who couldn't shoot - we needed a shooter who could hopefully learn to play defense...enter Reed. This isn't a case of analytics leading you to pick the wrong BPA - it's a strategic change to balance out the roster better. I'll agree with @DaDakota here that you are very likely calling Reed's demise too early. I think Reed will end up being a rotational player at least - but his timeline changes because we have to be more judicious with how we utilize his minutes because we are actually competitive. One of the reasons why you have seen more growth from some of those other guys is because teams either don't have better options on hand or teams aren't as concerned with staying competitive so those guys get the minutes to grow. Reed doesn't have the same luxury of getting to learn from his mistakes on the court because his team is actually competitive and his minutes actually count. It's not like Steph Castle where you let him play through the struggles to accelerate his growth knowing you aren't really a viable contender anyway. The reality is, Castle would likely also be stuck in the rotation behind Tari, Amen, Cam, etc if he were here. I would hope that a number 3 pick would potentially be worth the minutes sacrifice, but unless you think Reed can be Steph Curry - he probably doesn't have the type of ceiling that warrant sacrificing wins to bring him up to speed faster. It is what it is.
