Hmmm, you say that JVG is a "Knick at Heart" (which is true, and there's nothing wrong with it since that's the team he grew up with). You manage to make it into a negative, yet turn Phil's possible allegiance with NY into a positive? Guess that part about being a "Knick at heart" is ok, huh since Phil maybe one also. I'm waiting for your reply about it really isn't about NY, but rather JVG's lack of rings...sigh....I'm sure a lot of coaches would love to have Joradn and Shaq. Lucky Gundy....that's Stan Van Gundy! Funny how players help a coach be *great.* Come now. It's not really about NY, is it? Then why act like it's a bad thing? Regarding JVG's basketball career in HS and College....Lets see, too bad JVG, a slow, white-man-can't-jump, 5'9" guard couldn't have been as talented as Calvin Murphy. You think we should hold it against him? You will that's for sure. I would think the reason he didn't play longer has *less to do* with his intelligence as coach (which is what's important NOW) than it does the fact that he just didn't have the speed or skill to go against the other more skilled players. Yet, you find a way to hold it against him that he didn't play in the NBA. Geeesh! Nice that you also add that Phil is a "champion at heart" but leave out that "Chicago at heart" has anything to do with it. Can't have one without the other. Hmmm, maybe somehow you want to spin it to mean that if ones heart isn't in it, then that coach can't win a ring with that team. Guess that logic wouldn't work since Phil's heart isn't in Chicago, or at least you tried to imply. More double standards, huh?
Yep! But some people seem to overlook those facts! They just focus on the fact that JVG is from NY. Oh, nooooooo! Call 911! Everyone. JVG was a former NY coach. He has roots there. That's just the way it is. You have to get used to it. You're never going to make a person forget about their roots. Whether it be Rudy at Michigan, Isiah and Bird at Indiana, or JVG at NY. Yes, even Phil's roots at NY. We'll make deals from NY, ALT, ORL, MIL, DET or wherever we can. Just like Astros seem to make a lot of trades with the Milwaukee Brewers. And the past Rockets used to make trades with the Clippers. Some coaches have connections/relationships with other GM's. That's the way it is for a lot of GM/coaches that do trades. They know each other.
The Knicks have SO MUCH turnover since they are under pressure from that big market to always make deals - if the Rockets wanted to avoid ex-Knicks it would be a lot harder to make moves
edc obviously over-reacted to my post. I knew he's obsessed with PJ, so I just wanted to use a one-liner to get a reaction from him just for fun. Guess what, I got it! He wen on to this big ole explaination why "PJ is a champion at heart". LOL! Well, I think you over-reacted to his post as well. In fact, you took the word "overreaction" to another level...
I was thinking the exact same thing. Isiah is definitely CD's b****. How many of those can we expect him to have? I loved Isiah's quote about how Mo's expiring contract will be valuable 2 years from now. Why stop there? Think how valuable some of the other bad contracts will be. In 10 years, Mack Brown's extension would provide some nice cap relief to the Knicks....
Nowhere did I say or even imply it was a negative. It was simply stating a fact. JVG is a Knick at heart. Rudy T. is a Rocket at heart. Hakeem Olajuwon is a Rocket at heart. A season or two in Toronto, Los Angeles, or Houston doesn't change that fact. Phil Jackson on the other hand is a different matter. I don't know what (if any) "primary" allegiance Phil Jackson has, beyond being a champion. He has played or coached for a number of NBA teams, for a number of seasons.
who invited edc... aka (Mr. keepin' the "Fire JVG" thread alive during an 8 game winning streak) stop the hatin' and accept the fact that your hero Phil Jackson is not coming to Houston to coach
Yet, if Rudy was to win a title in LA, would the *fact* that his heart was with another team(HOU) change the *fact* that he won a title (LA)? Larry Brown won a title in Detroit, does that in any way invalidate the fact that he maybe a North Carolinian at heart (or Denver, San Antonio, Indiana or Philadelphia)? The point is, it doesn't matter. Coaches can win a title anywhere as long as they put in the hard-work and are lucky enough to coach some special players (Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, TMac, Yao....). Phil Jackson is not a different matter. He's won titles with different team does not nullify that his heart maybe with NY. All you are *trying to say* is that if a coaches heart is not with his home team, then he can't win a title elsewhere...unless he's Phil. Please... Other coaches have done it, so can JVG.
DavidS seems to have gone off the deep end again, seeing things that aren't there, and mad because somebody doesn't want to anoint JVG. All I said was that Van Gundy's "heart" is with the Knicks. Could he win a title in Houston, Boston, Minnesota, Miami, or Clipperland? Perhaps, if he is good enough. Even then, I don't see that changing where JVG's heart is. I don't know Phil Jackson's primary allegiance. Is it the Bulls? The Lakers? The Knicks? The Patroons? Could be any one of those. The only thing which seems definitive is that his allegiance is to winning championships *more* than to any single organization. If you don't care about loyalty, and only want a mercenary (as seems to be the case with Le$), that is the mindset I want. Jackson typically accomplishes his goal, so that is the guy I want.
And no one said anything about *changing* where JVG heart is. The point is that he can win anywhere if he puts in the work and has the players to do it. Hmmm, allegiance is to winning championships *more* than to any single organization? Ok and? Does that mean that JVG only wants the Knicks to win, but not he Rockets? Again, with the double-standards? You accuse me of seeing things that aren't there....and what of your numerous incorrect perceptions of JVG coaching ability? Pot, meet kettle.
Wow, man, some of these threads remind me of the Barry Bonds news conference. Way too many hormones flowin' for me to wonder if some people are on the juice. BTW I think CD and JVG made some great moves to make the team better. Looking back, I agree with the poster who casually mentioned ( and was ignored ) that they have gone a long way to clean up some of the problems left from the past bad moves. Still a ways to go but if this progress continues through this summer draft..... wow! for next season. And hopefully soon we will know if there is any gas left in Vin's tank - if there is then there is a chance we could repeat '94 and '95 and win a championship. Bobby, heal brother, heal!!!! I COMMAND YOU TO HEAL BOBBY SURA! HEAL! Gotta lay off that human growth hormone stuff makin' me crazy!
