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Can we have a serious discussion about Jeremy Lin?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jVgOwnsYou, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. conquistador#11

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    i was going to post the 3-8 stat.and that it was fisher who torched him with three 3 pointers, because our guards do what are guards do...peek inside and get caught with their pants down on the three point shot.
     
  2. knickstorm

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    again, less severe based on what? If the dude can't even lift his arm what do you want him to do? You just refuse to believe that he can barely lift his arm?

    Again what does salary have to do with it? SHould the Thunder expect more from their 2nd highest paid player on the floor today? if a dude's hurt he's hurt regardless of how much he makes.
     
  3. knickstorm

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    heh? the dude said he got abused by Westbrook, what does Fisher have to do with that?
     
  4. moose

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    Lin is so heavily criticized due to his contract and last years linsanity that we tend to forget the kid only has two years of experience. Rockets fans have never been so critical of a player that little experience ever. We need to give Lin time to pan out. Many great PGs took years to develop. A lack of a big man also makes a difference. We need to be patient with this young team. They have already exceeded expectations for this year.
     
  5. Panda23

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    This. Linsanity was both a blessing and a curse for him. Everyones expectations of a first year starting pg is wildly skewed. He played crap in game one, everyone did, was decent in game 2 before the injury and tonight was obviously limited by the injury. Why dont you email Morey about your in depth 60 minute analysis/burial of Lin
     
  6. nono

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    It's OK for me that someone chokes. To choke you have to first come out to play and then suddenly stink later. Harden and Parsons at least come out to play. Jeremy however stays in his shell the whole game. I mean do something ! If nothing else, just go and chuck.
     
  7. knickstorm

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    did you watch the game? Most of that deficit came cause Durant went off!! The team got back in the game cause Garcia stifled him and he stopped scoring.

    Put it this way...Rockets are up 2 with 45 seconds left...the fact is they couldnt hold onto that lead and lost. To try to connect that to Jeremy Lin who hadnt played for a quarter and a half is silly. That's the same logic pointing to some guy who missed some ft's in the 2nd quarter and saying that's why you lost a 1 point game!
     
  8. jVgOwnsYou

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    Then I expect him to sit. Him being on the floor cost us especially at the beginning of the first half.
     
  9. roxallways

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    Lin is who he is, average at best. Lin's was sucking down the stretch at end of regular season before the injury in game 2. The way people talk and make excuses about Lin on here it's beginning to look like he is the "Matt Schaub" of the Rockets (if he had a better coach, if he had better bigs to throw too, etc. etc.) All these things would help but in the long run the QB of the team (no pun intended in the reference to Matt Schaub) is the PG and if he at times is a total liability and extremely inconsistent on the court, your team will not go far at all. Like I been saying for a while, Lin isn't the answer at point guard moving forward but his contract is a problem. Rox have to bite the bullet for the time being and upgrade in other areas of team for Rox to take next step.
     
  10. Panda23

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    Correct me if im wrong, but being hampered in your ability to RAISE YOUR SHOOTING ARM is gonna affect a basketball player perhaps more then most sports. God why dont we just crucify Lin while we're at it? Hes injured, toughed it out, and wasnt effective, like he said post game, thats on him. Hes not a bloody axe murderer
     
  11. knickstorm

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    pretty much...these guy hate that he gets so much attention he's gotta be superhuman and they still find something wrong.

    Basically Lin has to play 4 solid quarters and people still find something to complain about.

    Those same people are ok with Harden throwing the game away as long as he plays a good 3.5 quarters.
     
  12. Shroopy2

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    Patrick Beverley is THE SAME AGE as Jeremy Lin.

    Beverley wasnt handed anything coming into the league either. Its not like Beverley is some long time battle tested Francisco Garcia type veteran. Beverley is a ROOKIE. How come no one's talking about his "upside"?


    Sure. All I was wanting to say. is that it IS a probability WORTH concluding.

    Instead of DISMISSING Lin ENTIRELY from any fault.

    (Its actually SHARED blame, its a TEAM game)

    But Lin CLEARLY had a NEGATIVE impact in the game (or maybe it was coaching decision to leave him in too long).

    How can you say something like "Lin ONLY had 1 ARM" for 20 minutes and think that can't affect the outcome of the game?
     
  13. Patterned919

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    Where do you guys get the idea that we want Tony Parker? lol

    He goes 4 pts, 4 turnovers, 4 assist in the 1st game and 1/6, 1 turnover, 1 assist in the 3rd game. We criticize him and you guys say we expect Tony Parker? lol

    Every time he's gone 16/6 people have acted like he's the second coming lol.
     
  14. jVgOwnsYou

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    This is the playoffs man. ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU DO IN THE PLAYOFFS.

    If you're going to be critical of James who led us in scoring and 2nd in assists, then you most certainly have to be critical of the guy who IMO was benched for poor play, not because of injury. If he was so injured, why did he start to begin with?
     
  15. knickstorm

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    the problem is all these people who think he's average, get upset when he goes out there and isn't above average
     
  16. Kwame

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    Jeremy Lin makes $8 million.

    Jarret Jack and Carl Landry combined make $9.58 million.

    Thanks Maury
     
  17. jVgOwnsYou

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    I agree. At age 24 Parker was averaging 18 and 6 and was an NBA champion. Just stop with that comparison.
     
  18. roxxy

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    Everybody talks about Beverly's upside. How many times have I seen beverly should start. Someone actually said that Beverly has top 10 PG potential.

    Young players get better, Beverly, Lin Parsons & Harden all have room for growth.
     
  19. imaginedragons

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    Lin is quite obviously one of the most polarizing athletes we've ever seen, so it's nearly impossible to get into any serious discussion without subjectivity crashing the "debate".

    The haters focus on his faults. There are quite a few, surely, but not glaring enough for people to harp on, and surely not more grievous than every other NBA player not named Lebron or Kobe. They exaggerate his negative impact on the team and completely ignore what he has done or accomplished.

    The Lin lovers, seeing the above, rush to defend him, more often than not exaggerating his worth, sometimes at the expense of the team or having to put down other players to do so.

    To get into any serious discussion, both sides have to lay out Lin's accomplishments, accept and give them their proper value, then look at his deficiencies and also accept that he has quite a ways to go to become an all star point guard, if ever.

    It will not hurt anyone to say that Lin, through the last rollercoaster of a season and a half, has finally settled down nicely as an above average PG on a playoff team, and probably is looking forward to an injury free off season to address his shortcomings and come back next year a better player.
     
  20. SuperStar

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    I'm disappointed in Lin for playing. It was obvious he wasn't able to play since he was making faces after every play like he's been shot. No point in proving how tough he is if it's going to hurt the team rather than help.
     

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