Can we finally put to rest that the Gasol/Brown trade was 1 sided

and how'd you rate the package that McHale got for KG ???

FYI, at the time of the trade, Jerry West was not employed by the Grizz nor Lakers. in case you don't know, Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and Grizz GM negotiated the deal.

 

Because they could both play side by side. Are you arguing that the Grizz thought Thabeet and Gasol could play side by side?

That's simply not true. The Nets aren't spending a top lotto pick on a PG now that D-Will is there. Same for the Bulls now that Rose is there. When we had Yao we would not have drafted a C with a high pick. When the Bulls had MJ when did they use a high pick on another SG? This train of thought is so off base. Teams don't do this. They simply don't. Please provide examples, and not of ones where teams plan to play guys alongside each other (i.e. Hakeem/Sampson, Ellis/Curry).

 

Thanks for clearing things up.

 

So you thought the Grizz received a fair deal when the trade was made?

I don't see how you are coming to that conclusion. I'm assuming Gasol wasn't a top prospect. I'm assuming the Grizz felt the same way since they spent a #2 pick on another center.

If they valued Gasol so highly then why did they spend a #2 pick on another center? How does that make any sense?

 

I see your point there. You never know what the other team is thinking by the time of the draft. They may be thinking of having a twin tower.

 

Many reasons. Interior defense. One main reason is that they didn't want OKC to take him with the 3rd pick, they also felt he had defensive talent and that he and marc could provide a 1-2 punch marc offense thabeet defense. But when thabeet didn't pan out and marc trimmed down and became more quick-footed he was clearly the total package.

And yes, we were all glad that Pau was gone and we were optimistic that with all the pieces we got that we would make out well in the deal.

 

"Silver platter" is the applicable phrase here.

 

And if da Lakers never got Pau, Kobe only has 3 ringz and still hasnt maid it out da first round or demanded a trade by now.

 

My mistake. Phoenix had surpassed them. Why are you being such a nitpicky douchebag?

 

Doubt it. Andrew Bynum and Marc Gasol would still be pretty strong up front.

 

Man, I hope you never become the GM of a rebuilding team. You'd be horrible at it.

 

QRich's contract was nowhere near that of ZBo. Yes the cap in the deal did help acquire ZBo. They had ALOT of capspace the offseason following that deal (Gasol's contract was huge) and now they have no cap. To say that the cap acquired in the Gasol deal was wasted and never used is completely wrong. You are only making yourself sound like a moron.

And when they traded Gasol, they were among (if not the) worst team in the league the previous season to the trade and during the season of the trade. To say that they ended up where they began is ridiculous and completely wrong. They lost guys like Wright/Battier/JWill/Posey, the team which made that deal was not the same team which made the postseason those 3 years in a row.

You have no idea wtf you are talking about.

 

So does this mean you can't provide examples of teams doing what you claim the Grizz did, which is spending top picks on stockpiling talent behind positions they have covered instead of filling holes? Examples please (2nd request).

Teams don't do this. I guarentee you if the Warriors or Wizards win the lotto then they won't be picking Irving. Not unless they trade their current PG's. If the Magic won the lotto they wouldn't be drafting a center.

It's quite simple...just provide some examples of teams doing what you claim.

 

It's just as wrong to say they got ZBO with the cap space from that trade. The more accurate statement would be they used some of the cap space from the trade to get ZBO.

 

How 'bout them cowboys! No?

 

typically, ad hominem responses prove nothing but a lack of evidence for your argument. if you want to discuss the topic then do so. if you can't make your point without being insulting then you need to go post on the realgm boards with kids your age.

of course no one knew that randolph would revive his career or that the draft picks would pan out, but one thing is for sure, stockpiling cap space and picks is the way to rebuild. thats a tried and true method. sometimes the picks don't pan out but in this case they did. sometimes you can't find player to spend that cap space on, either in FA or trades, but in this case they did. kudos to memphis who did an excellent job of building a winning team since that trade. that trade, by the way was meant to reset a team that was going no where. you can't argue with the fact that they are better now then they ever were with gasol, and that they wouldn't have the pieces they do now if it wasn't for the gasol trade.

in all honesty if the grizz got the same package from the wizards would anyone care? probably not. people are upset that LA created dominant team and are taking it out on memphis, but memphis has a brighter future now than they would've if they kept things status quo.

 

Um...basketball teams.

 

I gave you examples.

There are not many when it comes to centers since game changing centers are roughly once every 10 years and they always go 1st overall (at least it seems that way).

If a team has their best player as a guard and the best player is a guard, them drafting a guard can lead you to say "they can just play them together." In this past draft, the Wizards drafted Wall despite having a maximum level PG under contract.

If a team has their best player as a swingman and they draft a swingman, you can say "they can just play them together." Hell in this past draft, Philly drafted Evan Turner despite having a maximum level swingman under contract.

If a team has their best player is a bigman and they draft a bigman, you can just say "they can just play them together." (a la Duncan/Hakeem with Robinson/Sampson).

It is pointless to provide examples. Just saying. If your team is near the bottom of the league, the goal has to be stockpile talent. Best player available.

 

No you didn't. You gave me examples of teams picking guys to play alongside each other. So are you saying the Grizz were planning to play Gasol & Thabeet alongside each other, with one of them being their PF? Even what isn't trying to argue that.

It doesn't just have to be centers. You claim teams stockpile instead of addressing needs. Go with a wing, PG, whatever. Find some examples of teams being satisfied with one of their young players and spending a top 5 pick on someone else who plays the same spot.

And they traded that PG and it was well known that they were trying to get rid of him because he was a nut. So they drafted his replacement.

And they have been shopping AI, right?

I say that in the instances where their plan is to clearly play them together. Is that not the case with these two examples?

No, it's not pointless to provide accurate examples. If I'm saying that a team who is happy with what they have at that position won't spend a high draft pick on someone else who plays the same position, then good examples don't include situations where teams draft players to play a different position (i.e. Duncan and Hakeem) or where teams have been shopping their player and draft a repalcement (i.e. Arenas, Wall, etc). If you are satisfied with your center then you don't spend a high draft pick on another guy that you expect to play center. If you are ok with your SG then you don't draft another guy with a high pick to play SG. That's completely different from drafting someone to play alongside your C or SG, or to replace your C or SG.

 

This is the very same logic people are using to argue the other way and is the basis of the OP. People are using the Grizzlies' recent success to say that the trade was not lopsided simply because their gambles panned out.

Marc Gasol was an unknown 2nd rounder, those draft picks were unknown (with low potential) and Zach Randolph wasn't even part of the picture.

Pau Gasol, on the other hand, was not a gamble. “Pau is a proven player of all-star caliber in this league who can score and rebound and he’s still a young player. We feel this move strengthens our team in the short term as well as the long term.”

That's exactly his point. Their success largely hinged on Bynum, who had just been injured and would continue to be injured in the coming years. If you really think the Lakers would be on the verge of a threepeat without Pau...then I don't really know what to say.