The Nets will probably looking for a post up big man. I doubt the rockets have much to offer in terms of trading with the Nets. It will be silly for the Nets to suddenly give up Harris after they acquired him for Kidd. The Nets will build their team around Harris, VC and RJ.
And have him and Scola flopping on each other accidentally? Besides no way NJ trades them away. I say we trade Luther Head for those 2 NJ Oompa Loompa's... at least they'll make a good half time freak show.
VC and RJ are too similar. They would love to move VC but they haven't found any takers. Its possible the rockets could get him for their expirings and something else of value. It depends if they want to rebuild or just make minor tweaks. I think they'll be looking towards the future.
I'd only want Josh Boone and their picks from any trades with NJ other than VC and Jefferson. I'd love to do a trade for their picks, something along these lines: We get: NJ's 21st pick 40th pick Josh Boone We give away: 54th pick Future 1st rounder Chuck Hayes Luther Head Cash The above would be great, add or subtract some minor details and we've got a deal.
I agree that RJ and VC are similar, but they will not give away VC cheaply. I don't think we can give away anything worthwhile that they would accept for VC without disrupting our team drastically.
Vince Carter and RJ aren't similar in any way, shape, or form. Maybe if you only look at stats they are, but as far as impact it's Carter and it really isn't close (look at Roland Rating, ORTG, DRTG etc. Carter comes away w/ the clean sweep). Hell, he was the best two in the east statistically (he put up a +12 +/- last season - that's higher than even Lebron or Kobe). Numerous teams have gone after Carter the past 2 years (most notably the Knicks and the Pacers) but Jersey has rejected them numerous times. If we wanted Carter, we should of gone after him last year before the deadline. He played some amazing ball after the Kidd trade, and he did it on one leg - his value is much higher now than it was then. Carter would solve a lot of this team's problems. He's a prolific scorer who has made a career off of scoring despite the doubles he sees constantly. Having an efficient scorer (career 45%) that has three point range (career 38%) would definitely take pressure off of Yao and McGrady. He also can get to the hoop at will and is a great playmaker who doesn't turn the ball over.. Everything about him fits except the price tag.
Go for Boki, that gives us a fairly athletic 3 who can shoot. Then you draft a big man (Hibbert, Thabeet, Kei Igawa) resign Landry for LLE, and then try and pickup a free agent for a discount probably at the 1, or maybe even trade for Capt. Kirk from the Bulls.
I wonder if Kristic is still in their plans. He showed some promise a few years ago before he got hurt. I think he would be great for this team on the offensive end. Anyone know his contract situation.
You're right, Boone is more of a C...given New Jersey's roster. He's 6'10" (a little undersized for C, actually), he's young, and he's extremely mobile. Are we going to pretend he can't play PF, especially with the line being so blurred between PF's and C's these days? C'mon... Novak played 142.5 minutes at PF and 140.4 minutes at SF last year, and that was with injuries in the front court, so... Steve played 133.7 minutes at SG last season, and just 65.1 at PG. In '06-'07 he played 1,140 minutes at SG, and just 96 at PG. Of the 30 games he started, 29 of them were in the backcourt next to Stephon Marbury. There's no arguing that based on his raw NBA stats, but it's extremely rare to see anybody shoot up to their potential, or anywhere near it, in 6.6 minutes per game. He actually shot well in all categories in college. That said, I wouldn't be expecting much from him anyway, other than the fact that he's got much better size and athleticism than Luther and therefore wouldn't be as likely to get abused on the defensive end play after play by average NBA 2's. I only included him as a way to make the trade work anyway.
They basically gave up Jason Kidd for Devin Harris straight up, they plan on rebuilding with him at the helm of their offense. Theres no way we can get him.
I agree with most of what you say. I understand that Vince is a good player. Richard Jefferson isn't as good but he is younger and cheaper and the Nets suck. The reason they never wanted to move VC before was because they were still trying to win and considered themselves part of the elite in the east. They didn't want to move Kidd before either. The reason I think they would be looking to move VC is because he is because he has the fattest contract on their terrible team and they just happen to have a really good wing player who does similar things. Hopefully, everyone knows that Vince Carter is better than RJ. He is very similar to VC though, it doesn't make any since to have 2 really good wing players when you are garbage in most other areas.
Ditto. I just have a funny feeling that Thorn would move VC if given the chance to get expirings and draft picks for him. This would be an "all in" committment by the Rockets if they did bring in another max contract. We would be essentially stuck with that team for the next couple years. In my opinion, it would be okay. I'm willing to spend the next two years seeing if Yao, McGrady, Carter, and the rest could win it. I think that would be the best trio of any in the NBA right now.
Yao for Jason Kidd, make it hap... err, nevermind. I wouldn't mind RJ or Vince Carter, but the cost seems way too high.
And we all saw how well his stints at SG worked out. Run the stats for his minutes at PG over the last 2 seasons - they're very nice. I'll eat my hat on Novak. Probably doesn't matter where he plays since he can't guard any position anyway I still say Ager can't shoot to save his life (and I'm talking from downtown) I only say Boone is a C because he can't operate 'away' from the basket - ie, he doesn't have much of a 15 footer (mind you, neither does Landry!)
