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Can the Rockets learn from history?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. CheezeyBoy22

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    They're normally don't pan out to well. How many mid-season trades for all-star caliber players have worked? Not many... Although the Drexler trade worked, we had a lot of luck on our side (Sonics lost to Denver). You can talk about the Pistons trade for Wallace but that was a different team.

    With Yao's health a big question mark, having an Allstar before the season starts is more important IMO. They have training camp, pre-season, and the start of the regular season to get used to each other. At least if Yao goes down, hopefully Brad Miller (if signed) can step in and help.
     
  2. MadMax

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    you should not assume from my posts that i won't be cheering for the team exactly the way it is. the NBA to me IS the Houston Rockets.
     
  3. AggNRox

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    the reason i don't believe we can land bosh is that bosh won't have any confidence on yao's healthy. he is no difference from most rox fans who don't believe yao can stay healthy.

    if you remember, i have been arguing about yao's healthy with alot fans on this board to the point some of them put me on their ignore list. i was telling them if you don't believe yao you shouldn't expect bosh will come.

    if you ask me how much i believe yao's recovery, i will say he has 80% chance to stay healthy for a few more years.
     
  4. MadMax

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    Sonics lost Denver in 94...not 95....we ran through the best teams in the league in 95...no luck.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Come on Deuce....there is nothing wrong with chasing and trying to upgrade our roster, but I have been saying for more than a year, that with Yao's situation up in the air, all the team can really do is try to build a quality supporting cast and HOPE Yao gets healthy.

    I contend we have that supporting cast, and getting Bosh would have helped in some ways and hurt in others, I think he was an incremental upgrade but would have had ZERO effect on getting us close to a championship.

    I am sorry you feel that the Rockets aren't any good as is......I hope you will change your mind.

    DD
     
  6. The_Yoyo

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    well dream and clyde already had chemistry from playing together at U of H so that is a bit of a stretch saying they brought in a random star.


    Also this was Dream and Clyde two top 50 players they weren't ordinary stars in the league at the time. its not like the rockets made a trade for mitch richmond (an all-star at the time)



    as for this thread

    another stand pat DD thread? the spurs back then and the rockets now are nothing alike. leaving the team as it is now with full health and above average development from our younger players i see them making the WCF at best. I think the Rockets will not make any major moves though now, Morey isnt going to make a move for the sake of making one (Cuban) he will be opportunistic if another player is available somehow later this summer that he feels will help this team
     
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  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Max,

    I know you will be right there cheering them on, as will most everyone on this board.

    Some will be hoping they fail so they can say "See, I told you so"....

    But, I think this team may just have enough and could be the surprise of the league if Yao is healthy.

    A big IF, I agree, but we have no choice but to hope for that, so we might as well go all in......

    DD
     
  8. SamFisher

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    You can. Do some searches for "stand pat" or "stay the course" or even better "contend" posted by DaDakota and you'll find some real gems.

    Ironically, the only team that he said wasn't a contender was the team that got the furthest in the playoffs (probably because he was mad when his favorites didn't get to play).
     
  9. Hakeemtheking

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    OK, Sam. I see that you are more than frustrated. lol

    Same here. I have been a Rockets fan since the early 80's, and too have playoff futility lasting more than a decade is just too long.

    Still, whatever plagued the Rockets in the past (bad drafts, bad health) is over with. Morey has assembled a nice, talented, and young team. If you waited this long, what is another 2 years to see what these guys can become?
     
  10. MadMax

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    i agree with everything you said.....

    except the notion that somehow because 2 guys played together 12 years earlier on a college team, that suddenly their NBA team all clicked and had chemistry because they were reunited.

    with you 100% on the Spurs/Rockets comparison...there isn't one.
     
  11. okierock

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    I think the Dream and Clide had a little chemistry already.

    I agree with DD that we can stick together with the parts that we have and they will improve and possibly make the playoffs but we will NOT win a ring with what we have. I don't think we would win a ring with Bosh either though. We still need a leader on this team. CP3 would be ideal, or Wade or Lebron, there just aren't many guys that can be that lead guy on a Championship team. I think the Bosh thing was a smoke screen and there is something else going on.
     
  12. Texasboy1978

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    IF I may add to this...um, When we first aquired TMac and Yao Ming was becoming a household name, are role players and bench were not the best...therefore we didn't win. Miami will not see success this year. They may make it to playoffs, but will be illiminated rather quickly...barring league tampering.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    The_Yoyo,

    I believe that a team that makes it to the WCF is a contender, and that there are very few teams that are really head and shoulders above the rest, and in fact, NONE OF THE HOUSTON championship teams were at that level.

    So, if this team is there in the WCF this year, to me, that is a contender and they have a legitimate shot at a championship.

    All you can hope for as a fan is to be one of a group of contenders......and then hope the team pulls it off.....

    This team is pretty close, IMO, as is.

    Remember even, Dream's teams that won it, were not favorites to do so.....we could all use a dose of history.

    DD
     
  14. MadMax

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    i'm hoping...but when i'm reading your posts and thinking about it, there's a gigantic disconnect for me.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    That is because you don't see Yao as having any type of impact.

    Whereas, I think he has a good chance of being a major player this year for the team.

    And adding a healthy 7'6" shot blocking/bothering efficient scoring machine is a massive upgrade to this team.

    DD
     
  16. CheezeyBoy22

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    My bad you're right about that part. There was luck on the part that we didn't play the Sonics. They had our number but we did beat the best teams though. Either way, Midseason trades for elite players don't normally pan out.
     
  17. MadMax

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    Dream's teams weren't favorites to win it all....meaning they weren't THE team picked....

    but they were in the discussion both years, DD.

    1994 we were coming off a semifinals appearance and bringing everyone back....we were clearly among the top 5-6 teams in the league at that point. entering the playoffs, we had the #2 seed...we were clearly in the discussion far more so than we are now.

    1995 we were coming off winning a championship....so of course we were in the discussion, because we had just won it. injuries plagued the season and there wasn't much excitement going into the playoffs.....but simply being last year's champ made us relevant. once we got out of the first round, there was a "look out" attitude about them.

    this is drastically different from this year's squad, dd....you were right the first time when you said you couldn't compare this bunch to hakeem's squads.
     
  18. Garner

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    Says the same guy that believes Chase Budinger is the next Kobe Bryant.
     
  19. steddinotayto

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    Aaron Brooks turning into Tony Parker? :confused:
     
  20. HillBoy

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    The main problem I have with your theory is that the Rockets have never learned from the mistakes they have made throughout their history. Were that the case the Eddie Griffin, Tmac and Artest deals would not have happened but I digress.

    The biggest problem I see is that you, along with nearly everyone else here, continue to over-value the talents of AB, CBud, Hill, Taylor, Kmart, Trevor. All are nice players in their own right and collectively they are fun to watch. But I just don't see them being the core of a championship team given their various limitations from AB's lack of true size to Kmart's fragility to Hill's lack of true development. At best, I see a group of 6th men which is not going to strike fear in the likes of LA. Simply put, there is no one in this group that you can point to and say: "we have to stop that guy if we want to win".

    At best I can see them getting to the level of a Utah or Dallas - two teams that can win 50+ games but come playoff time continue to fall short. Unfortunately, due to years of bad decisions the Rockets now find themselves sort of mired in mediocrity. This is a scenario I've witnessed for three decades now: once you let your team slide into mediocrity, it is harder than hard to break out that box. What you are proposing simply isn't going to be enough to do that.
     

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