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Can the Rockets learn from history?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. SamFisher

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    LOL - as I said back in the DD photoshop thread - nobody follows you or your threads around - you simply make it your mission to dominate every single one, here and all over the internet. Nobody's following you around the internet - you follow it around!

    Uh, we don't have to bet on whether or not it is a 42-40 team - because it actually was a 42-40 team. fact.

    Now this is the exact same argument that you lodged at me in 2006 - when you were going through the same "stand pat" bullsh-t that didn't work out then, and trying to argue that Juwan Howard and Rafer Alston were more than adequate guys to have going 35 mpg to win a title. So you came back with "well bet agaisnt the rockets to prove that they aren't any good"

    You should go back and read the ridiculous arguments you propounded about Howard btw - talk about laughable. And I'll give you the same answer, no I'm not going to bet against the rockets.
     
  2. MrRoboto

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    Get a room!
     
  3. wekko368

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    It became a bad thing when your homerism reached the point of idiocy. It's fine if you think Brooks/Budinger/Hill will eventually become all-stars, but you need to realize that when it comes to that belief, you're in the minority. Regardless, you're always adamant about your opinion even though common sense usually suggests otherwise.

    You have a tendency to not think things through. For instance, you said that if Yao is healthy, we're in the WC finals. If that's the case, whose going to feed Yao the ball? Brooks? Doubtful; he's always had trouble doing so. Battier? Maybe, but his inconsistent shot will allow his defender to back off and partially front Yao. Ariza/Martin? They haven't played a single minute with Yao.

    Also, in your original post, you referenced the championship Spurs in your first four sentences yet you neglected to mention Tim Duncan. Instead, you chose to focus on Tony Parker. Ever heard the phrase "correlation does not imply causation"? Just b/c Tony Parker was on those championship rosters doesn't mean he was the driving force behind the team's success.
     
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  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    That is fine Wekko,

    But see, I think the Rockets overall team depth is better than those Spurs teams were...and could make up that difference.

    Idiocy...lol......mabye I am a fool when it comes to the Rockets.

    You know what? I don't care !!

    GO ROCKETS !!!!

    I believe !!!!!

    Just say NAY to the NAYSAYERS !!!

    BELIEVERS WELCOME !!!

    DD
     
  5. thetatomatis

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    Dont have a choice. Have to stand pat. Al Jefferson, Lee, and insert second teir player here are not worth trading alot of assets for to deplete our team for a cheap 1 game or two up in the standings and still no Championships waisting young guys and picks to make that move. So stand pat is smart until the opportunity arrives again or the young guys turn into something special.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    You sir, are one smart fellow.

    ;)

    DD
     
  7. thetatomatis

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    No, you had the right idea before me. :)
     
  8. thcdrummer007

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    I wonder how many games the Lakers would have one last year if Kobe had had microfracture surgery and Gasol was out all year with a broken foot....probably not 42 out of 82...



    I hate to tell you this but AB has a killer midrange jumper, and he shot 40% from three point land while leading the league in threes made. He is also pretty good around the basket for such a short player, so in my opinion, if he can improve his assist to turnover ratio, AB has every chance to become a great point gaurd in this league.
     
  9. worzel gummidge

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    Go check his numbers. It's average to good.

    2nd overall in 3s attempted per game. Rafer-esque.
     
  10. wekko368

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    Brooks is a much better 3 point shooter than Rafer was. Not only in percentage, but also in consistency.
     
  11. rcketsfan1

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    Good post. I'm down with patience too. But . . .

    . . . I was just thinking that we should learn from history and realize there is a low chance that Yao completes the season without injury.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    I agree, it is a low chance, but since he is on this team, and under contract for this season, we have to root for him to make it all the way back.

    I believe that the doctors may have solved the problem, and hope that they have, and if it is just a matter of hard work, then Yao will be able to do it.

    If it is a matter of a 7'6", 300 pound man being unable to play because of his feet, then there is nothing more to do but to move on....

    But again, that would not be until the end of this year, so our only choice as fans is to hope he makes it all the way back.

    And, if he does, the team is good enough with him and the young guns improving, IMO.

    DD
     
  13. Kerfeld

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    I have not plowed through the 12 pages of this thread, but DD there is one flaw in original post. The Spurs did not stay the course because they wanted to. Jason Kidd spurned them at the last minute. The Spurs offer was 6 years and 99 million and the Nets were offering 6 years and 103. There were also a ton of rumors that the Spurs would not cave into Joumana Kidd's demands as they continued to get more outrageous as the negotiations progressed.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Yeah, that was addressed Kerfeld, same idea though, is that sometimes staying pat by luck or by plan is the right move.

    DD
     
  15. glynch

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    Good thread. Keep adding assets. Stay patient. Only good deals. If not this year we will suddenly breakthrough with the star(s) we need perhaps through the draft; perhaps through a trade.

    PS: I gave you a 5 stars and I never rate threads. DD you deserve many 5 stars if you care about that.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Thanks Glynch, but I have been too outspoken for too long, I get auto 1 starred by too many haters.

    We used to be able to discuss anything Rockets...I mean my Maarty Luenan thread became a junk fest....and all I was doing was saying...hey, maybe we could use him as like an 8th-10th man.

    Sometimes it gets ridiculous.

    But at the end of the day, all I care about is the Rockets, so if people want to hate for whatever reason, they can go ahead. I will continue to love those Rockets....

    DD
     
  17. OpportunityCost

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    Wow DD, instead of staying only on the topic and being objective, some of these posters start attacking you, and getting really emotional and venomous in the process, I wonder why is that? :eek:
     
  18. wekko368

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    People are not "haters" b/c they disagree with you. Like I said before, your conclusions are often shortsighted.

    Let's take this "standing pat" idea that you've championed. You assume that if we have a healthy Yao, we should be good enough to make to the WC finals. However, there's so many things you seem to have overlooked.

    1. Ariza/Martin haven't played a single minute with Yao yet you expect them to gel. How can you stand pat on something that's 100% speculation? You may claim that we have 3 or 4 all-star caliber players. The 1998 lakers actually had 4 legitimate all-stars and didn't win the title.

    2. Post entry passing (I know I've mentioned this before, but it's important). Whose going to do it? Surely defenses will test the limits of Yao's quickness, strength, and jumping abilities through ball denial.

    3. "Standing pat" only works if we're standing at a position of strength relative to our peers and our opponents are also standing pat. Is it a safe assumption that the other teams will stay at prior year levels? The lakers have already upgraded their pg from Fisher to Blake.

    4. If we do "stand pat", we're standing pat without a legitimate backup center. That may work against most teams, but the elite teams will exploit this weakness.

    Maybe people do unfairly give your threads one star, but this time, a low rating was warranted. Your OP was riddled with errors:

    1. Insinuating Parker was the reason for the Spurs' titles.

    2. Saying the Mavs probably would've had a ring had they kept Nash. The Mavs should've already won a title in 06. Against those refs, they could've had a prime Olajuwon and prime Jordan and would've still lost. Also, Phoenix Nash had much more freedom than Dallas Nash. You can't take Phoenix Nash's success and assume he would've had the same caliber of success in Dallas.

    3. You said that the Rockets are in a similar situation to the Spurs. That's 100% wrong. The Spurs were building around a prime Tim Duncan. We're building around Yao Ming. Do you think prime Duncan and current Yao are similar?
     
  19. DaDakota

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    They will have a training camp to get used to each other, and their games compliment Yaos, imo.

    You assume Yao is going to be on the low block, he might be at the elbow, but I agree, he will be down on the block some, and the post entry passes usually come from the wings, Battier, Ariza and Budinger will be the ones primarily responsible along with Brooks and Lowry, I have confidence in them all.

    How can you in point 1 that something is a weakness, that players have not played together and yet in point 3, you say a team upgraded while the same circumstance applies.

    And your premise is broken, my stand pat stance is mostly because of Yao, we have him under contract for one more year, let's give it a go as is, because if he can't go we will need to build an entirely different team.

    I agree here, I think that is the one thing this team really needs a quality back up center, my stance was more about keeping the key players we have, but I certainly want a backup center like Brad Miller etc.

    He was a key player, didn't he get a finals MVP?

    In my opinion if Nash stayed in Dallas they would have won at least one ring.

    If Yao is healthy, yes.....not equal, but they impact games very similarly....and I think the rest of the Rockets roster, particulary the bench is arguably better than the Spurs.

    DD
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Probably a product of a grudge carried forward from a previous argument or two.

    ;)

    DD
     

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