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Can the FBI Be Saved from Itself?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, May 19, 2023.

  1. davidio840

    davidio840 Contributing Member

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    Because they are basically what’s wrong with society. They love the: HeAr Me RoAr !! on the interwebs and use twitter as facts!

    They group every type of Republican as a Trumper, hell anyone that’s not extreme left/liberal is a dumb right winger, because they are that stup…. ignorant.
     
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  2. astros123

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    Imagine saying with a straight face that folks concerned with MAGA extremism is the problem and not MAGA. Funny
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Did you miss the part where BLM folks were targeted too?
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    It’s the conservative mentality…. Entitlement. They didn’t care about local law enforcement abuse because it was targeted against the right folks.

    But the FBI saying that far right extremism is a major domestic terrorism issue…. oh lord. Jan 6th rioters being targeted…. oh lord. Trump and his swampy, globalist associates being targeted… oh lord.
     
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    FIFY
     
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  6. davidio840

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    What exactly are you trying to say? You really don’t make sense most of the time when you just argue left vs right while drooling over Biden with random twitter “facts”. I don’t really see anyone drooling over the idiot that is Trump, yet you consistently tell everyone that doesn’t agree with you that they’re some type of Trump supporter. That’s a typical sign of a liberal.

    Like we get it, you’re a Democrat (you deny you’re a liberal, but I’m sure most think you are based on your posts). Really though, what kind of person spends 95% of their daily life in a forum posting far left propaganda lol. Then when someone post right propaganda, you go ballistic with threats and **** talking. What does that sound like to you?

    Do you even comprehend/read half the stuff you post? You need attention That Bad ?
     
  7. astros123

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    Can you kindly share what lies I've posted please ? Thanks. Go ahead
     
  8. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    So you aren't aware of it?

    The 2017 version never was voted on. The 2020 version passed the House, but the Senate killed it because Mike Lee and Rand Paul threatened a filibuster, and Trump threatened a veto.


    What Happened to FISA Reform? - Lawfare (lawfareblog.com)

    What’s in H.R. 6172, the House’s Compromise FISA Reform Bill? - Lawfare (lawfareblog.com)

    The House of Representatives today passed, on a 278-136 vote, a bipartisan bill that would reauthorize certain intelligence-related authorities that are set to expire on March 15 as well as make substantive changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and a number of related laws. The bill builds off an earlier bill introduced on Feb. 24. The compromise bill, H.R. 6172, was worked out between House leadership as well as the House Judiciary and House Intelligence Committees. Congress is on recess next week and the Senate is expected to act on the bill this week. But the bill could run into problems there. Some Senate Republicans are not happy with the bill. Sens. Mike Lee and Rand Paul have tweeted their displeasure. If the Senate cannot pass H.R. 6172 before the existing authorities expire on March 15, it is possible the Senate may act on another short-term extension. Meanwhile, Attorney General William Barr has expressed his support for the compromise bill.

    The New York Times offers good context for the compromise bill. Some key quotes from the article are as follows:

    • The bill would extend the three expiring tools—like the F.B.I.’s ability to get FISA court orders for business records deemed relevant to a national security investigation—while ending legal authority for an expensive, dysfunctional and defunct N.S.A. system that had allowed counterterrorism analysts to swiftly access logs of Americans’ phone calls.
    • The bill would also expand when FISA judges—who normally hear only from the government when deciding whether to grant a surveillance application—should appoint an outsider to critique the government’s position. Currently, judges are supposed to do so only when addressing a novel and significant question of interpreting surveillance law.
    • Under the bill, the FISA court would also be directed to consider appointing a government critic when an application “presents exceptional concerns” about protecting the First Amendment rights of a surveillance subject—a formulation that could apply to investigations touching on political campaigns or religious activity.
    • The bill would not make a change that many civil liberties and privacy groups have advocated: letting defense lawyers read FISA applications if their clients are prosecuted on the basis of evidence derived from such wiretaps or searches, as defense lawyers are permitted to do in ordinary criminal cases.
    • But it would also expand criminal penalties issues surrounding misuse of FISA, raising from five to eight years the prison sentence for engaging in electronic surveillance without following procedures.
    • The bill would also outlaw the disclosure of the existence of an application or classified information contained in it, as well as knowingly making a false declaration before the FISA court. The move would be more symbolic than substantive because those were already illegal.
    • And it would make clear that the government cannot use a business records order to collect information—like cellphone location data—that in a criminal investigation requires a search warrant, which has a higher legal standard.
     
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  9. Commodore

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    the FBI was corrupt from it's inception with J Edgar Hoover, they still name their HQ after him

    it has been spying on Americans, intimidating elected officials, and interfering in domestic politics the entire time

    it should be disbanded entirely

     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    I'll pay the 2 bucks.
     
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    This is odd. You have never mentioned this before. Your criticism of the FBI just happened to coincide with their investigation of your Lord and Savior, Donald J Trump.
     
  12. basso

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    two points: this bill would not have affected the Carter Page application, and I'd have to have a better understanding of why certain senators opposed it. Some of these reforms might be worthwhile, some not. and some purely symbolic:

    The bill would also outlaw the disclosure of the existence of an application or classified information contained in it, as well as knowingly making a false declaration before the FISA court. The move would be more symbolic than substantive because those were already illegal.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    Certainly the FBI has problems and they is why oversight is needed. That’s why there is an IG and Congressional oversight. Personally I wasn’t against the Durham investigation but am critical that his results are more opinion and rehashing than breaking any new in-depth findings.

    The IG report did lay out reforms which Durham repeated. Those are being implemented. Like so much else these days this is just alarmism about doing away with the FBI. It’s the flip side of those Minneapolis Councilors pledging to “Defund the Police” on June 2, 2020.
     
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  14. Amiga

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    It's a compromised bipartisan reform bill that would move the ball forward. Trump wanted an investigation in exchange for not vetoing it. Paul is against surveillance.

    Making a false statement to the court was and is still illegal. The Carter Page application has other problems: it withheld some information, and the information it provided may not be as reliable as portrayed. (this doesn't mean that the FISA Court wouldn't approve of it anyway - at least of the judge said it probably would still be approved) This is more of an internal FBI process and personnel (but not political) problem found by the 2019 DoJ IG that Wray has said has been addressed by 41 new internal process steps. The FISA court also banned agents and lawyers related to those applications from working on any future FISC court application pending disciplinary review. Congress, if it was doing its job without political influence, can investigate and check the FBI for abuses. I will remind again that Barr and Trump do not want any congressional oversight of the executive.
     
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    Finally, some bipartisan agreement in a D and D thread.
     
  16. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Just as a side note, what happened to the Durham investigation into Trump? (Italians provided info to Barr and Durham about a potential link between Trump and suspected financial crimes). It was reported that the tip was too serious to be ignored. However, instead of appointing another prosecutor, Barr decided to have Durham investigate that matter as well. There is no mention of it in his report.
     
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    Yeah right. How many of those BLM "peaceful Molotov cocktail protesters" got put away versus the Jan 6th Capitol protesters? I rest my case. Just take your partisan blinder off for a minute and acknowledge the truth.
     
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    You might not want to rest so soon.
    About 1,000 people were arrested for Jan. 6 while about 13,600 were arrested for the BLM protests following George Floyd.
    https://theprosecutionproject.org/summer-2020-protests/

    Over 300 people are facing federal charges from those protests
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/over...es-committed-during-nationwide-demonstrations
    with several serving multi year sentences.
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/...on-and-riot-during-august-2020-riots-downtown
    https://www.newsweek.com/man-gets-8...nneapolis-businesses-during-2020-riot-1664517
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ten-years-for-fatal-arson-in-summer-2020-minneapolis-riots/
     
  19. Commodore

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    absolutely

    Ron Paul was decades ahead of the rest of us. We should have listened.


     
  20. astros123

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    Hahahahaha Glenn greenworld is a Russian tool who lives in Brazil peddling Russian disinformation. The fact that you quote him is so utterly pathetic.

    And the poll he uses (Harris poll) is owned by trumps best friend. Funny how polling can be manipulated to brainwash people like you
     
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