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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. HardenVolumeOne

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    when the rockets signed eric gordon and ryan anderson the media gave them a D- for their free agency signings, the very same season harden has the rockets as the 3rd seed in the west( keep in mind they still didnt give harden mvp), and eric gordon wins 6th man of the year lol. Then the nba media completely flip the script by saying the rockets are talented and harden choked, but the rockets talent in comparison to what players like lebron and curry has had the past 5 years is nothing in hindsight. Steph Curry wouldnt have beaten the warriors if you put curry on the rockets and harden on the warriors, in fact the rockets might not even have gotten as far as they did


    2016 FREE AGENCY GRADES by SI

    https://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/07/nba-free-agency-winners-losers-kevin-durant-dwyane-wade-pat-riley

    Losers: Rockets
    Houston surely felt the need to do something. After all, the Rockets just suffered a demoralizing season, Dwight Howard was headed out the door for nothing, and new coach Mike D’Antoni needed some weapons to make life a bit easier for James Harden. Unfortunately, Houston’s two big signings—Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon—came with the type of commitments that make you think, “Nah, I’m good.”

    Would you like to commit $133 million on four-year contracts to two one-way players who have missed a combined 173 games over the last three seasons? Or, would you rather not? I’d rather not. The Rockets have firmly committed to doing their best to put a competitive product on the court rather than bottom out, but the price and length for both players given the clear injury risk factors and limited ceiling to their additions should have prompted a more hesitant approach.
     
  2. roslolian

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    Yeah and if Ryan Anderson was replaced by Draymond Green, Eric Gordon was replaced by Klay Thompson and Trevor Ariza was replaced by Kevin Durant the Rockets would have also been a much better team.

    Excuses, excuses blah blah blah. Wonder when will the next season ending Curry injury happen?
     
  3. wekko368

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    Again, can you quote me or not?

    Seriously, you really do have some reading comprehension issues. I've repeatedly stated that I'm talking about this year, and you're unsure whether or not I'm talking about this year?

    You lost this part of the argument when you brought up Paschall and Looney as examples of Curry's good teammates this year. They're replacement level role players at best.

    Draymond Green regressed heavily last year, and there's no reason to think he'll regain his elite defense.

    You're underestimating how good the Nets are. Also, who are the plus defenders on Golden State?

    Ariza didn't improve his shooting with the open looks Harden created for him.

    I don't know about "significantly". He averaged 5.7 attempts per game with the Wizards and shot 40.7%. With us, his averages ranged from 6-7 attempts per game.

    It's not simply about 3pt shooting, but don't underestimate how important 3pt shooting is.

    Because the Warriors had a dynasty based on their 3pt shooting.

    Just so I'm clear, you expect the Warriors to be able to abandon their 3pt identity, create a new identity with Wiggins/Oubre (neither of whom are all-star caliber), and be competitive?
     
  4. wekko368

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    You do realize that Curry has 2 MVPs, 3 titles, and is consider the GOAT shooter, right?
     
  5. roslolian

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    So Curry has to have fringe all star caliber players at all times otherwise its a poor fit? Harden had 0 fringe all star caliber when the Rox got top 3 record in the West.
     
  6. roslolian

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    You do realize a 2 MVP, 3 time champ and GOAT shooter should be able to carry a team right?

    Since he has all those accolades even more he shouldnt be whining about not having all star teammates.
     
  7. don grahamleone

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    Wrong forum there bandwagon fan, your team posts threads elsewhere. You have zero legit opinions about Curry. Dude reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeks of classic overrated syndrome.
     
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  8. wekko368

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    No, it's possible to have teammates who aren't all-star caliber but are a good fit. The Rockets didn't have all-star caliber players in 2017, but they fit well with Harden.

    Oubre/Wiggins aren't all-star caliber, and they're poor fits.
     
  9. wekko368

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    I'm sorry that your Rockets fandom precludes you from appreciating other teams.
     
  10. wekko368

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    He doesn't need all-star teammates....just teammates who complement his game.
     
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    Looks like another season is lost for the Warriors.

    Stephen Curry cannot carry a team to playoffs without other three all stars.
     
  12. roslolian

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    Curry is the GOAT shooter, he got unanimous MVP because he is supposed to run GSW offense and make everything work. Curry has a complete skillset what do you mean poor fit? How does a player be a poor fit next to GOAT shooter and unanmous mvp? :rolleyes: It's almost like Curry was overrated all these years due to having multiple allstar teammates and now he has an average team he is exposed.

    You cant say Curry deserves all those accolades on one hand and then whine he isnt spoon fed success on the other. Which other superstar is whining about not having all star teammates?
     
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  13. John Harvey

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    It’s so beautiful to see the warriors are done.
     
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    By being a poor shooter. We saw it tonight. It was just one game, but Wiggins shot 4-16 and Oubre 3-14.

    Whose talking about all-star teammates (or lack thereof)? I'm simply pointing out that Oubre/Wiggins are poor fits next to Curry.

    Also, Harden has been whining about needing more help.
     
  15. roslolian

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    Simmons and Embiid played on a team with 0 shooters and players who complemented them and they still made the playoffs. Pau Gasol played with Damon Stoudemire and Shane Battier and the Grizzlies still made the playoffs.

    Neither Simmons, Embiid and Pau Gasol are 3 time champs, 2 time MVP, UNANIMOUS MVP and GOAT Shooter.
     
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    Hardens whining about more help but playoffs are a given.

    Curry himself shot 33% or 7/21. Cant blame teammates when you suck yourself esp when you are GOAT shooter.
     
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    Warriors will make the playoffs but they are 1st round fodder. BKN is a legit title contender. BKN did what they were supposed to do. Curry still phenomenal nonetheless
     
  18. roslolian

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    7/21, -23 plus minus phenomenal? Lulz
     
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  19. JayGoogle

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    I'm going to wait and see. I think the Nets had a really good night and the Warriors had a really bad one. I think they could feast on bad teams though and maybe sneak into the playoffs. I think a 6-8 seed is realistic considering two all-stars on their team and solid role players and a very talented young big.

    It's one night, any team can get blown out in one night, especially against that team.
     
  20. Downtown Sniper

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    The part I most liked about that whole situation - was that the media said AD had no help. Anderson and EG were useless in helping AD.

    Then the next minute, Anderson and EG were TOO MUCH help for Harden and meant he had way better teammates than other players.

    Media gonna straight up media.
     

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