Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Which team are you thinking of?

 

How has Harden done more with less?

 

Surely, 1st Team All-Defense counts for something, and Green had most 1st place votes for DPOY (2nd overall votes)

I mean, when ppl talk about Detroit 2004, no one fails to mention Wallace.​

It’s either disingenuous to not mention Green, or lack of appreciation of the #1 ranked GSW defense that year. That defense was just as important in the playoffs as their offense ... and it was Green being able to play center with his defense and passing that made the Death Lineup possible

 

also at that point in their careers 2015, Andrew bogut and Dwight was pretty close to a push in defensive impact. Don’t also forget finals mvp iguodala

 

Iggy made all NBA first team in 2014.

 

Probably because Ben Wallace was an established all-star by that point.

I'm not suggesting that Curry carried those teams. Actual cases of a player carrying a team to contender status are very rare, historically. To be a great team, you need a number of players doing good work.

That first Warriors team was elite on both offense and defense. The offense would not have been nearly as good without Curry.

 

But everyone mentions Green, too.

And the offense would not have been nearly as good without the Death Lineup, which was moving the best passer and defender to center.

I’m not downplaying Curry. But the guy with most 1st Place votes for DPOY who also recorded 5.2 apg in the playoffs shouldn’t go unmentioned just bc of All-Star status.

 

That's fine. It's hard to dispute that Green had an impact on winning on par with all-star caliber players, regardless of whether he was recognized as such in the first year.

 

Take Stephanies shooting away and he is null and void. He has average on ball playmaking skills . This is why Harden, Luka, Lebron and Jokic are superior offensive players. They can destroy you with scoring and playmaking. And don’t give me some fantasy off ball gravity garbage.


Lebron
KD
Harden
Luka
Jokic

are all superior offensive players. Far more versatile with more tools in their bags

 

I believe Curry has generally ranked the best in terms of offensive adjusted plus/minus over the last several years. It’s probably him and Harden as the top two guys.

But yes, if you take away what is probably the most important skill in basketball, shooting the ball — the one in which he is probably the greatest of all time — then his game doesn’t seem all that impressive.

 

Hence why Harden, Luka,Jokic and Lebron have more complete offensive games

 

Alonzo Mourning's offensive game was more complete than Shaq's. That doesn't mean he was a better offensive player than Shaq.

 

“More complete”. Depends on what you mean by that. You are slicing various facets of offense in a particular way to reach that conclusion.

There are clearly things that Curry can do really well on offense that those players you mention aren’t particularly good at.

 

only thing Stephanie is better then those guys is shooting and moving off the ball. Everything on offense those guys have him beat. Playmaking , passing , running an offense.

 

There's quite a bit of overlap with playmaking, passing, and running an offense, isn't there? And shooting and moving off the ball are hugely important offensive skills, and there's a lot that goes into those things.

Again, this goes to my point. You are slicing up the facets to being a complete offensive player in a particular way to arrive at your conclusion.

 

Harden 30 points but this is what makes him better then step. The best floor general in tje nba. 15 assists 0 turnovers including 20 point last quarter . This is what separates harden and Lebron as the best two playmakers in the nba. They can get you 40 but can also get you 15 assists and completely run an offense

 

Why is shooting the most important skill in basketball? How is it more important than say the ability to stop someone from scoring? The guy who won the most titles was a defender, not a shooter.

That historically great shooting doesn't seem all that impressive on a team that isn't stacked...that doesn't have multiple other players to do the things he isn't great at. GS is currently the 8 seed and no one will be shocked if Luka/Dallas pass them. Notice how surprised everyone is that Luka isn't currently in the playoffs, even with missing Unicorn for half the season?

 

It is debatable. I think the ability to put the ball in the basket is pretty fundamental. Even more so in today’s game where range shooting is coveted at all 5 positions. And Curry isn’t merely a great spot up shooter. He is elite in all manner of shot making. I think it’s a little unfair to say that if you take away the thing that he’s the greatest of all time at that he isn’t all that special.