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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. wekko368

    wekko368 Member

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    You have some reading comprehension issues.

    Regarding "help", we're talking about this year. How many current Warriors are even close to being all-star caliber?

    You also seem to be ignoring how good the Nets are.

    And as I've stated many times, Harden is a regular season monster. At some point though, that's not enough.
     
  2. Mr. Space City

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    Wiggins is not going 4/16 every night. Wiggins will have good games and bad games. That’s just who he is.

    Oubre is a good player. Wiseman will have a solid year. Once Draymond comes back they should have a good enough record on under .500 teams to be a top 5 seed. You don’t need all-star caliber teammates for that.
     
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  3. HP3

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    No, my issue is that I decided to engage with a moron.

    Harden had his "all star" play way less games in 2014-15, no all star in 2016-2017, Cp3 missed a lto of games 2018-2019 and no other all star. This year Westbrook but all for a month gave sup par production, go check his numbers, we were worse with him on the floor than Harden with shooters LOL.

    Nets are good....Curry should put up a non trash stat line.

    LOL ahhh man, the no help is only for Curry during the regular season. Man you are awful at this.

    Warriors are better than they showed tonight but I dont see a 4th-5th seed from them. Maybe if Draymond is really good.
     
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  4. aliadiere25

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    I don't want to hear it. Harden has never had an all-star that's been in their prime playing alongside him; Westbrook was the first, and Westbrook wasn't very good for half the season, and he was even worse in the playoffs. He got an injury-prone CP3 and a Howard that never really performed for us.

    Harden had no CP3, Capela and Gordon for a combined total of 45 games one year.... and he got us to 4th in the playoffs. We were also 11-14 at the start, and we really weren't looking like making the playoffs that year.

    Imagine if Harden had the team Curry has had. He would have won about 4 rings.
     
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    Unless the Rockets trade Harden during the season, the Warriors will not finish as a top-5 seed in the Western Conference. The Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Blazers and the Rockets with Harden are all better teams. I also think it’s very debatable whether they finish higher than either Dallas or Utah.
     
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  6. T for 3

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    What does any of that have to do with the fact that the Curry is playing with a bunch of back ups and d-league specials this year. Those lineups tonight were laughable. If they loose to a bunch of .500 teams then we can talk. Harden doesn't beat the nets with that warriors roster.
     
  7. HP3

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    Harden has beaten a better roster with Capela as his second best player. And he did it in their building.

    Kelly Oubre, Wiseman, Wiggins, Eric Pachle and Looney are not back ups.
     
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  8. Mr. Space City

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    Harden with a worse roster vs a better team than the nets.

     
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  9. T for 3

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    That roster is not worse than tonight's warriors roster.
     
  10. Mr. Space City

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    With no CP3 or Eric Gordon? It’s about even.

    Harden would turn Wiseman into a 20/10 player.
     
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  11. wekko368

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    Your issue is that you have poor reading comprehension.

    One poster said that Curry had plenty of help this year. I disagreed. You then tried to apply my disagreement to years past. Then, when you realized I was right, you tried to shift the argument to Curry's help versus Harden's help in year's past.

    Here's some helpful advice. As soon as you realize you're wrong about something, own it and move on. Don't try to deflect or create strawman arguments.

    The current Warriors really aren't that good. Curry needs to have a few shooters around him. Oubre and Wiggins both shoot around 33% from the 3pt line, and that's below average.
     
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  12. aliadiere25

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    It means.... Harden can carry an average team to the playoffs. Also, that year Harden got us to 4th in the west, he was basically carrying a G League team. If Harden had any type of help in the playoffs, the Rockets would have won the championship.

    Curry can't do it. Last year he had the same situation at the start; the Warriors started off 1-4 and Curry had to carry the load..... then Curry got injured and it saved him.
     
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  13. T for 3

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    Aside from Andrew Wiggins, and maybe Kelly Oubre there isn't an established NBA starter on that team. Wiseman barely even played in college.
     
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    Again, Harden could not beat this nets team with that G-league roster. If Curry can't beat .500 teams then you have a case.
     
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    There were only 2 established starters on that team Harden had that night. Capela & PJ, and Harden made Capela.

    Oubre and Wiggins were 18+ ppg scorers the year before. There is nobody on that roster Harden had that could be 18+ ppg scorers no matter how many shots they take.
     
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  16. T for 3

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    Did I really just read that rat hp3 saying that Eric Paschal is not a backup? He doesn't even watch basketball.
     
  17. HP3

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    My issue is that you are a moron.

    He has more help this year than Harden has in other years. He performed poorly, you attributed that to his lack of help. My argument is that Harden has had comparable help AND performed help in other seasons. I didnt shift anything, that's what I was always talking about LOL.

    I wasnt wrong about anything nor did I deflect, my god you are bad at this.

    Harden could get this roster into the playoffs. Oubre shot 35% last year on the Suns with Curry's uhh gravity, that should go up. Harden has been playing with crap shooters for a while, he played with Westbrook and Gordon last year LOL foh.
     
  18. HP3

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    He scored 14 ppg on 57 TS% last year.......dudes dont know their numbers on here.
     
  19. Icehouse

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    He's overrated and will be exposed unless they hide him again.
     
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  20. Icehouse

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    Bullshit. He doesn't have a title contending team but he has enough talent to not suck.
     

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