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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. mfastx

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    He's def playing better than he did the last couple of years, but also so is Draymond and Poole came out of nowhere.

    He's top 3 for MVP but Giannis and Joker are ahead of him per the famous MVP tracker.
     
  2. riko

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    His last few games have been awful
     
  3. Reeko

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    Steph in his last 16 games

    25, 5, and 5 with 4 turnovers a game

    37/35/89 shooting splits

    53% TS

    Warriors have still gone 11-5

    hilarious that people act like it’s all Steph for why the Warriors are so good…fake news from the Steph fanbois

    aside from those 5 games he played in the 19-20 season, he currently has a career low in FG and 3 point percentage

    only argument for MVP he has is team record, and it looks like they win in spite of him lately…his level of play is nowhere close to MVP level
     
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    Looking like playoffs curry out there

    24 shots for this selfish ****ing chucker lmao. And 5 turnovers to go along with just 5 assists. He is on that patrick beverly level of starting "point guards" as far as playmaking goes
     
  5. heypartner

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    Not 11-5

    They are 10-6 in last 16

    Curry has dropped 4ppg and his TS% over that time is lower than Jalen Green’s for the season.

    something tells me Curry can get banged up, and can’t maintain his highest level over long stretches, when having to carry a team
     
  6. Reeko

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    I’m talking about Curry’s last 16 games, not the team’s…they are 11-5 in the last 16 games Curry has played despite him being absolutely horrible
     
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    Without Steph’s gravity they likely couldn’t make a single basket and Draymond would probably be out of the league.
     
  8. Major

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    Golden State +/- for the season: +9.1

    Curry: 35 min per game; +/-: 10.9 (GS outscored by 1.8 pts in the 13 minutes he's not on the floor)
    Draymond: 31 min/game; +/-: 5.9; (GS wins by 3.2 pts in the 17 minutes he's not on the floor)
    Poole: 30 min/game; +/-: 4.9; (GS wins by 4.2 pts in the 18 minutes he's not on the floor)

    The problem with looking at Curry's traditional stats is that he makes the whole offense go. When he runs around in circles, it gets the defense off balance, so other players get better shots even if Curry never touches the ball and that's not recorded in any stat besides plus/minus.

    It's not a perfect stat by any means since it accounts for who you play with/etc, and my measurements don't account for missed games and such very well. But it's not surprising that Curry leads the league in that stat because it specifically accounts for his key strength that's not measured elsewhere.

    And he leads the league repeatedly in this stat. Take 2017-2018, for example.

    Houston outscored teams by 8.5 pts/game that year. Harden was +7.3. When he wasn't on the floor, the Rockets still outscored opponents.
    Golden State outscored teams by 6 pts/game that year. Curry led the league in +/- at +9.5. When he wasn't on the floor, GS was outscored. (Thompson was +5.4; Durant was +5.2; Draymond was +4.4.)

    The whole GS philosophy is built on the motion offense, and he's the engine that makes it all work. Draymond is also a key 2nd piece to it all.
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    If Curry continues his current trajectory he'll be in Harden territory before he knows it.
     
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  10. Reeko

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    only Curry could shoot 37% for over 15 games and still get all the credit

    he shot 3-17 the other night against Miami and they won by 7, they couldn’t do it without his gravity

    Steph 4 MVP
     
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  11. Major

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    Pretty sure for Jordan, Harden, Hakeem, and every other great player, you could find games they played poorly and their teams won.
     
  12. Reeko

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    Could u find a 16 game stretch where they were playing as bad as Curry? Could u also find where they were still being lauded as the MVP with Steph’s current numbers?
     
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    I have no idea - and I'm not sure why I'd care about an MVP race less than halfway into a sesaon. The season is 82 games and the point is to win. Players go through individual slumps all the time. If at the end of the season, his team is one of the top teams and he has MVP type numbers and people feel that he had an MVP type impact, then if he had a 16 or 20 or 30 game slump in the middle of it, it means the rest of the season must have been that much more awesome. If other players put up better numbers and their teams are also really good, that other player will probably win the MVP.
     
  14. Reeko

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    I am talking about right now…he has been trash for a prolonged period of time, and is still being proclaimed the MVP…that is the topic I am discussing
     
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    In your opinion, who is more deserving right now?
     
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    I'm not @Reeko, but I don't think anyone is head and shoulders over anyone else at the moment. 10 games ago, Curry had the best case. But now, a bunch of teams are streaking and have solid records. Jazz, Suns, Bulls, Warriors, Nets all have a case to nominate one of their players and have it actually be a serious conversation.

    You've got perennial top guys like Durant, Curry, Giannis. But Derozan, Mitchell, maybe one of CP3/Booker, all have a legit shot with the way their teams are playing.

    I guess Jokic is up there too, but his team isn't doing that well; there's a precedence with Westbrook and how you don't have to be the best player on the best team, but OKC was 12 games above .500 the year Westbrook won it - Denver is currently at .500.

    tl;dr - it's an open race imo, unless bias for Curry/Durant/Giannis wins out.
     
  17. wekko368

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    I dont see CP3 or Booker winning it since it'd be too hard to make the case for one over the other. The same goes for Lavine/Derozan. Mitchell is in the conversation, but his supporting cast is head and shoulders above Curry's.

    Jokic has no shot unless the Nuggets finish as a top 4 seed, and I don't see that happening; Westbrook was an outlier due to his triple double season, and the voters have since recognized their mistake.

    I can see Giannis or Durant winning it if they finish with the best record in the league and finish substantially better than GSW.
     
  18. Easy

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    He was an MVP frontrunner before this slump, deservedly so. His stock has dropped since then because of the slump but he is still in the conversation. Not sure why you are so sour.

    Harden has been trash until recently and his team was winning despite it. Now his fans are tooting how awesome he is playing.

    This kind of player threads always go like this. When the guy is playing well, his fans come out and gloat. When the guy is playing bad, his haters come out and gloat. Without fail.
     
  19. jiggyfly

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    Don't hurt him, Hammer!

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  20. jiggyfly

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    How is Mitchell's cast head and shoulder above Curry's

    Are you still trying to say Curry is playing with all trash?

    Are you still trying to tell people Wiggins is trash?
     

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