Can some one tell me what Eddie Griffen is good for?

I REALLY DON'T SEE WHY GRIFFIN IS TAKING THE BLAME FOR SOME OF THE ROCKETS MISTAKES AND LOSES.YEAH SOMETIMES HE DOESNT HAVE THE BEST GAMES,BUT HE CAN BLOCK SHOTS & GET REBOUNDS A LOT BETTER THAN ANY POST ON THE ROCKETS...

IF YAO IS HAVING A BAD GAME,GRIFFIN IS THEIR FOR THE BLOCK AND REBOUND.

MY POINT IS EVERYONE ON THE TEAM HAS SOME BAD GAMES...AND GRIFFIN IS STILL MY FAVORITE ROCKET...

 

Newgirl, I just have to point out one flaw in your big list of stats. If you look, you'll see that EVERY player except Eddie had his minutes increased in his second year. If Eddie's numbers have stayed the same with his minutes going down, then he has actually improved his numbers, whether the stats seem to show it or not. Also, those players are on teams that are actually trying to get them involved, while there is rarely a play run for Eddie when there is a Steve, Cuttino, or Yao. One last thing, relating to that, if you haven't noticed this either, Eddie has been asserting himself much more in the last four or five games, and in that span is averaging over double figures and shooting close to 50% from the field. So just remember before you just throw raw stats into the air that the numbers don't always tell the story.

Give Eddie a chance! Remember Jermaine O'neal...he averaged something like 3 ppg in his FOURTH year in the league.

 

Here you go, here's J.O.'s number from his first four seasons.

TeamGGS Min FG% 3PT%FT% OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PPG
96-97 POR 45 0 10.2 .451 .000 .603 .90 1.90 2.80 .2 .04 .58 .60 1.00 4.1
97-98 POR 60 9 13.5 .485 .000 .506 1.30 2.00 3.40 .3 .25 .97 .92 1.70 4.5
98-99 POR 36 1 8.6 .434 .000 .514 1.20 1.50 2.70 .4 .11 .39 .39 1.10 2.5
99-00 POR 70 8 12.3 .486 .000 .582 1.40 1.90 3.30 .3 .16 .79 .67 1.80 3.9

 

comparing stats between jermaine o'neal and eddie griffin is an utter waste of time.

o'neal, first of all, was completely mismanaged development-wise in portland. his court time was almost always sporadic, which never afforded him the opportunity to get into a rhythm on the court.

second, o'neal's training was targeted specifically around being a post player, whereas eddie is being developed to be an all around type of 4 (more in the mold of rasheed wallace). the learning curves are, obviously, different due to the respective responsibilities...

third, eddie griffin is being featured as, essentially, a safety valve offense. his shots come from penetration kickouts and the occasional junk rebounds and put backs, whereas o'neal was given the ball in the post and expected to be the offensive catalyst...not the safety valve. once again, different expectations and responsibilities.

fourth, jermaine o'neal's skill set was much more polished than eddie griffin's. jermaine only needed to polish up on his post moves, gain weight and learn to read defenses. eddie griffin is having to change his shooting mechanics (almost completely), gain weight/strength, and has yet to even begin to learn to read nba defenses from the standpoint of an offensive catalyst.

fifth, jermaine o'neal had the advantage of being tutored by dale davis and brian grant - two players that played the exact role that jermaine was to eventually play. these are the people that he spent the majority of his learning time with while with portland. eddie griffin has no such advantage. who, on the rockets roster, can eddie truly emulate? so his learning is very much so "on the fly" with no guidance from someone who has "been there and done that".

the key to eddie's progression is patience. i think people frequently lose track of the fact that eddie is only 20 years old! he is 2 years (and at least 4 years of professional bball experience) behind yao ming...and the expected curve for ming was (before the year started) TWO TO THREE YEARS! we absolutely must apply that same curve to eddie and remain patient!

it is no coincidence or fluke that eddie griffin dominates in the summer league. it's because he is the primary offensive focus. that is what he is used to from high school and college. that allows him to settle down and catch a rhythm offensively. during the season, however, he is no longer that centerpiece...he is a satellite of the centerpiece and that requires a serious adjustment for any player, nevermind a 20 year old kid!

the most beneficial moment of eddie's basketball life, imo, will be this upcoming summer, where he can play in the summer league/preseason with yao ming and without the dominant guards. then he becomes the #2 weapon. it's only a slight step down from what he grew used to as a college/high school phenom. it is at that point that he can continue to grow into his role and embrace the bright future that surely lies ahead...

...patience, people...

 

Alright Eddie


For Eddie to be you favorite player, there must be a tie between you and him . I like Eddie (in spite of the frustrating learning curve) too and I wish him the best. The comforting thing about him is that he has potential and there is time to fulfill them. He is only 20 going on 21. In 2 years we should revisit Eddie's progress with enough information to if he is a gem or not.

 

I FEEL YA!!

 

Can someone tell me if Griff broke his thumb against LA or not??? I never heard the injury report!

 

OKAY..."gwatson86"....I'M NOT SURE WHAT SIDE YOU ARE ON...BUT I AGREE ON THE COMPARISON BETWEEN E.G AND J.O....I REALLY DONT PAY THAT MUCH ATTENION ON STATS...AS LONG AS HE PUTS IN WORK WHEN IT'S NEEDED AND HE PLAYS GOOD EVERY GAME.....I SERIOUSLY THINK THAT THE ROCKETS' LOSS TO L.A COULD OF BEEN PREVENTED HAD GRIFFIN NOT BEEN INJURED..I DONT KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO PULL IT OFF @ SAN ANTONIO TONIGHT...I LUV E.G 33

 

I dunno either but I hope they find a way!!

 

You can't be more right, nothing against Young Griff, but at this time his development is slow & not what this team needs. Holla!

 

Yao and Griffen both need to go on serious workout regimens this summer to bulk up. I'm quite sure Yao will, but Eddie needs to realize he needs to add strength as well. I say let them grow and mature together; they could become a devasting 4/5 combo in a couple years. Anyways, you're not going to get anything good in return for him right now.

 

I do agree bout Yao & Eddie workin out! but if u think bout it on Eddie's Profile it says 232lb and last year Eddie was 225lb! So he did gain some weight!

 

I agree that Eddie is currently dead weight for our team.

His defense is mediocre at best, his rebounding is almost non-existant, and every time he takes a jump shot an angel loses it's wings.


I say hold onto him for 2 more years, switch him between starter and bench (if Mo Taylor steps it up, that is).. if he doesn't start producing by the end of the 2004 season, cut him loose.

 

Eddie Griffin is good for trading.
He will be good to trade.
Cuttino Mobley, Eddie Griffin, and a 1st Round Draft Pick for Elton Brand and Eric Piatkowski or Quentin Richardson.
Mobley is a ballhog, but he still has skills. He is cheap. And he loves to go 1on1. He will fit well with the Clippers. He might become an All Star with the Clippers.
Eddie is another cheap player. And Eddie will get to play all he wants at Los Angeles. He might even become most improved player or something.
Elton Brand will improve our team greatly. Eric Piatkowski or Quentin Richardson will replace Cuttino Mobley.

 

OH WILL U PEOPLE LET IT GO!! WE WILL NOT GET ELTON BRAND BECAUSE I CAN BET HE WANT'S A BIG CONTRACT AND LES DON'T WANA GO OVER THE SALARY CAP OK! SO WILL YALL LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND NO IM NOT MAD CUZ OF EDDIE BEIN IN THE TRADE! I DON'T CARE IM JUSS TELLIN YALL!! ITS A DREAM THAT YALL GONNA KEEP HAVIN!!!
AHH THAT FELT GOOD TO GET OUT!!

 

OH YEA AND IF EDDIE DOESN'T GET IT TOGETHER BY 2004 LET HIM GO!OK!

 

His rebounding was really nonexistant tonight.

 

Can't believe people are still knocking his rebounding. People, Eddie is the 2nd best rebounder on this team. You can talk about his bad shot, mediocre defense, etc. But to keep calling his rebounding "horrible" and "non-existant" is just idiotic.

 

I just wanted to add an important statistical note about Eddie's FG% of 39% that is not being looked at here. Since Eddie takes many 3 point attempts (2.5 on average per game) rather than less than 1 for most other power forwards, you really should look at the adjusted FG% which takes in to account the extra point given for a 3 point shot relative to a 2 point shot. When you look at Eddie's adjusted FG% (which in fact is the real FG%) you get 44.6%. When you look at Mo Taylor's adjusted FG% you get 44.1% (Mo takes absolutely no 3 point attempts a game). Actually, Eddie's 2 point FG% is 42.3%
These stats are as of 3/31/03. To see the current ADJ FG% go to:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teamstats?team=hou
By means of a comparison to a couple other power fowards (Brand's ADJ FG% is 50.3%--he takes no 3 point shots) (Webber ADJ FG% is less than 2% better than Eddies at 46.3%. Webber averages only 0.3 3-point attempts per game) Actually, Jamison for Golden State averages the same 2.5 3-point attempts per game as Eddie, but has a higher 2 point FG% and thus has an adjusted FG% of 49.1%.