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Can some one tell me what Eddie Griffen is good for?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hikanoo49, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. Yetti

    Yetti Member

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    Littley1521:- We are on the same wavelength. Brand will fit our needs exactly and should mature at the same rate as Steve etc. Remember 04/05 is only the one after next. This is when I see the Rocks going for the BIG one!! Yao Ming will be 24yrs of age.
     
  2. alaskansnowman

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    Also, check out Live and Nikestrad's comments in the other Griffin thread started by leebigez. They are quite on the mark.
     
  3. peleincubus

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    Eddie Griffin is good for playing NBA basketball. And he is even getting better at it.:D
     
  4. Newgirl

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    So you believe everything those scouts said? I remember those scouting reports. EG's projected at #1 because the scouts saw him similar to Tim Duncan, saying he's fundamentally sound etc. But you watch him now. Is he really fundamentally sound? Hell I don't think so. So you can throw out those inaccurate scouting reports out of window.

    At 6-10, he's not that tall as a PF nowadays.
    He's not that fundamentally sound.
    He's athletic but not a freak compared to KG, Amare etc.
    He's not strong. He can work on becoming stronger but will probably never be as strong as Amare etc.
    He doesn't seem to have that high bball IQ.

    So what exact physical tools he has made you think he has the potential of a great player?
    Also what made you his work ethic is that superior to other 20-year-olds?
     
  5. KeepKenny

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    So Eddie has another good game, and you immediately come in here to say that he'll never be as strong as Amare? Eddie is improving, he's averaging like 14 points the last 3 or 4 games. You'd think the haters would shut up for at least one night when he has a good game.
     
  6. RocketKid

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    Interesting, comes from a guy named KeepKenny. :D

    Great game Eddie....played smart. Any complaints?
     
  7. Newgirl

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    I am not a hater. EG has a good game today. But I can't lie to say that he's and will ever be as strong as Amare just because he has a good game. :rolleyes:
     
  8. KeepKenny

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    you dont have to point out every little negative thing that you could think of (or invent). it's kinda grasping at straws when one arguement is "well, he's only 6-10." :rolleyes:
     
  9. Newgirl

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    So a 6-10 PF is special?
     
  10. DaGhettoAsianFo

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    Eddie is making a big contribution for the team right now. I heard it during hte game that he has scored double figures in hte last 4 games. Great job for being the 4th or even 5th offensive option. He's way better than he was in his rookie year when he just jacks up 3s. I think it's still too early to judge him and wait until next year....I expect a way better player....maybe with driving layups:-D

    and he's only a year older then me.
     
  11. alaskansnowman

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    I don't believe everything the scouts say, but usually there's a reason why someone is viewed as a top pick in the draft. A lot of your arguments can be refuted by the simple fact that the KID is 20 years old. I don't expect Griffin to be a superstar or anything, especially now that we have our all star big man in Yao. I simply point out his long term potential as a means to justify why we keep him around and why we play him. And like tonight, he does help us win and can be a key contributor on a playoff team even at the age of 20. There aren't many 20 year olds (aside from Parker) that can say that - Tyson Chandler and Curry play in the east and aren't even gonna make the playoffs, and Kwame barely gets to play as well.

    What physical tools does he have? I thought i already pointed them out - he's tall, long arms/good length, quick leaper. Yes, he's not a freak, but you don't have to be in order to be a good player or even a star.

    His work ethic? I have no idea if it's better than other 20 year olds' work ethic, but the fact is that he HAS a work ethic. Who cares if his work ethic might be worse than Tyson Chandler's work ethic? We don't need Griffin to turn into a mega superstar in the first place. My main concern is that Griffin turns into a valuable contributor on our team, not whether he becomes better than Kwame or Tyson or whoever.
     
  12. alaskansnowman

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    No, but it's an ideal height for a pf now, which is a definite plus for Griffin.
     
  13. Newgirl

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    I am not talking about his contribution right now. I am talking about his potential. Sorry I don't see much "upside" in him compared to other 20-year-olds.
     
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    oooooooh cat fight :) just kidding
     
  15. JBIIRockets

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    You Eddie Griffin thread starter bashers are going to regret this in around 3-4 years when he will be a second-tier star in this league. (Ex:Glen Rice was a 2nd Tier Star IMO)

    At times he frustrates me too, but he will naturally bulk up as he gets older and be a defensive force in the paint against his own man.

    The guy is only twenty years old guys. Let him develop.


    But you may say, Yeah So is Tony Parker. But Parker has had professional experience that Eddie doesn't have.

    I think David Spade would say the following...

    It's called patience, look into it.
     
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    Yep. The Rockets are a team that has always been able to keep it's stars. (assuming the players want to play in Houston....ummmmm...Quitten). Les usually makes it happen.

    I just realized the Rockets do a decent job of not getting star players who choke.....they got rid of Pippen after a year......and did not sign Chris Webber. I love this team.
     
  17. ragingFire

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    All of your points are valid. I agree with all of them.

    What I want to add are the things you did not mention.
    . Decent defender. He is not the best defender for PF but he has to be in the top 1/3. He holds up OK. going up against those monster PF in the West.
    . He is a good rebounder. He does not rank very hi because we have Yao, Cato, Francis picking up the rebounds as well.
    . Good shot blocker.
    . He has post moves. Half the big men in the NBA do not have post moves.
    . He has range, not very accurate yet but give him time, he can improve. Half of all NBA players never attempt 3 pt shots and never will. EG shoots 34% right now and that is very respectable. It is an equivalent of shooting 51% from 2pt range.

    How many other PF in the NBA has "potential" for this kind of game?
    He is decent right now.
    In 2, 3 years he will be great.
     
  18. Likemike33

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    Eddie has potential thats for sure and he's only 20 ,but what dissapoint me is that he always struggles shooting from the field and his ball handling is questionable.
     
  19. hikanoo49

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    I think the people posters who point out Eddie's faults are actually more credible given that we do not base Eddie's skills based upon 1 game but through the development of the entire season.
     
  20. hikanoo49

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    Thats the issue that I can not get around. This thread has took on a life of its own.

    When you say let him develop, what are you expecting him to develop into?

    As newgirl eloquently said, Eddie is not gonna be a top tier player. At least he has shown no flashes of it like Chandler, Curry etc.

    Again, these are the 3 possible developments in 2 years along with the effects on the team:

    1. Eddie remains the same- Rox got screwed

    2. Eddie develops into a 13/8/2 block kind of guy (between Tim Thomas and Rashard Lewis)- Decent stats. Can't imagine him becoming an amazing passer. Some may be pleased with his development but we would have waited a few years for this where we could have picked up a free agent (Tyrone Hill type) and won more games.

    3. Eddie develops like all you say into Jermaine Oneal- Not likely but I guess it can happen. BUT do you think we can sign him??? Yao and Steve will most likely have the MAX contract and there is NO WAY we can pay 3 players the MAX. Chances are, Eddie leaves...

    4. Eddie develops into a SMART 11/9/2 blk guy WITH high bb IQ- His stats will not be alarming but he will play smart, high basketball IQ, amazing passer and complement Yao and Steve real well. He will develop into a premier SUPPORTING PLAYER with average stats. Thus, the Rox will be able to afford to sign him and he will help us win rings (better Robert Horry). But on the other hand, even if he does, these kind of guys are highly available and I am still not sure if it was worth waiting 4 years on a youngster to develop into this when we could have easily found a free agent to fill this role immediately.

    So again, I ask you why take the risk on this kid when we have NOTHING to gain in the short term and very little to gain in the long term. Most importantly in option 2, Eddies style doesnt complement Yao's. It only highlights Yao's weaknesses.

    So when many of you continue to chant on waiting for him to develop, I am curious as to what option (listed above) you think he will develop into? Personally, I think the ONLY scenario we gain is OPTION 4, and the likeliness of him developing into a HIGH BB IQ player is pretty much impossible in my opinion.

    PLEASE POST YOUR REPLIES TO THIS ARGUMENT SO THAT OUR DEBATES DO NOT GET SO SIDE TRACKED..


    Thanks!!! :D
     

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